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Wednesday 5th of August 2020, 00:20
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176.35.130.82 | Mon 22nd Apr 2019 - 01:08
 
I need to vent! We have just got home from BCA Nationals and I actually cannot believe the arrogance coming from zodiacs main coach. First of all they cross their level 5 kids into almost every division - I know it’s been said before but it’s so heart breaking to watch your kids busting a gut to compete in a level appropriated division and have to compete against a team fully stacked with higher level athletes. I get crossing over 1 or 2 athletes but what’s going on there is just a blatant disregard for the integrity of the sport.
To make it worse the one division they didn’t win they can’t even be gracious enough to allow the team that beat them to celebrate their moment without their male coach basically laughing about coming 2nd and taking the piss. Like you let them win.... erm no they beat you and you can’t handle it!
I know people will say I’m just the bitter parent who’s kids got beaten fair and square but I really don’t think it is fair or right when the team is stacked and what’s worse is the arrogance of the celebrations. What happened to teaching kids how to be gracious and humble winners????? It’s not pretty.
I haven’t seen this behaviour displayed by any other squads, period, and it’s left a bad taste in my mouth.
No doubt zodiac kids work hard and are talented, but I wonder what life lessons they are learning. And as a parent my kid doesn’t do cheer because I want her to win. Of course she wants to win but my priority is that she learns life lessons and grows as a person. No way would I be happy to turn a blind eye to all that goes on there just so she could win and learn a win-at-all-costs mentality. What happened to pushing your own limits, stepping outside of your comfort zone and working hard to achieve something that actually is an ‘achievement’.
Level 5 kids winning level 1,2 or 3 is NOT an achievement. And at the very least if your going to take this approach be humble, be respectful and stop acting like your the most important bloke on the planet.
If there are zodiac parents on here, I’m sorry, and this isn’t an attack on you or the athletes - it’s the programme owners I am disappointed in. And I just can’t understand why parents would pay for their kid to compete below their ability for the easy win, rather than pushing themselves to actually encounter competition at their own level. How can you watch that coach and think that he is a good role model for any athlete or any sport.
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82.29.79.120 | Mon 22nd Apr 2019 - 08:53
 
Was it the obnoxiously singing happy birthday to someone whilst the commentator was running through how awards would work? (It seemed to be coming from.their direction on the floor)
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92.40.249.24 | Mon 22nd Apr 2019 - 09:58
 
The female coach is actually awful. Every time I saw her in warm up she was giving the staff a real hard time. I felt so sorry for them as they did an amazing job. My mini team loved them!
Zodiacs seemed to have an issue with everything but all the rest of us were absolutely fine with no problems??? 🙄
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79.64.209.132 | Mon 22nd Apr 2019 - 10:28
 
I agree
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185.69.145.52 | Mon 22nd Apr 2019 - 10:35
 
@post1 I was also at BCA and agree! You can not always win but no need to laugh about it.
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5.68.158.30 | Mon 22nd Apr 2019 - 10:47
 
Agreed! Seeing the same athletes go up at awards for every division was ridiculous! Shame as they clearly have very talented athletes but they just looked a bit of a joke yesterday!
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176.255.130.218 | Mon 22nd Apr 2019 - 13:48
 
Agree, I think this was the general feeling towards Zodiacs from everyone yesterday. It actually became a bit of a joke for other teams watching the same athletes go up for each award but agree with everything above.
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5.69.225.2 | Mon 22nd Apr 2019 - 14:39
 
Very embarrassing to have kids with double fulls competing doing rolls and walkovers
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82.132.227.141 | Mon 22nd Apr 2019 - 14:49
 
Just grow a pear! Not everyone hates Zodiacs ! And not all there teams are made of level 5
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82.132.236.71 | Mon 22nd Apr 2019 - 14:58
 
@post9, personally I prefer apples
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5.81.171.242 | Mon 22nd Apr 2019 - 15:02
 
When they read out 2nd place quite a few times they screamed so loud and jumped up and down and didn’t let 2nd place have their moment. Clearly their coaches haven’t taught them how to be respective if they act that way their self. Clearly a very talented team which are getting a bad name for themselves because of their attitude. Very sad.
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2.219.110.25 | Mon 22nd Apr 2019 - 15:11
 
zodiac getting a bad rep
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82.3.65.210 | Mon 22nd Apr 2019 - 17:19
 
There international level 1 team were amazing and a joy to watch even though clearly not level 1 Athletes . However the arrogance of the coaches just ruined it for me.
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94.9.106.46 | Mon 22nd Apr 2019 - 17:43
 
Everyone criticises zodiac for having level 5 athletes on level 1 teams but that’s really not what makes them win, level 5 is completely different to level 1 in tumbling and stunting the thing that gets them titles is the insane amount of creativity and difficulty that the coaches put into routine. Tumble timing is incredible and that is one thing that sets them apart from the other teams and having level 5 athletes with fulls doesn’t make their tumble timing better it’s because they drill it and teach it and I mean the majority of level 5 athletes can’t backwalkover anyway 😂 stunts as well are so creative and well put together which is why they score so high and level 1 stunting is also completely different to level 5 stunting. Zodiac also took over another gym and that gym didn’t have level 5 athletes on their level 1 team, zodiac re choreographed their routine and they’ve now been doing really well at competitions so the level 5 crossovers has nothing to do with it
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5.69.225.2 | Mon 22nd Apr 2019 - 18:06
 
But they can create difficult creative routines because they have level 5 athletes who understand cheer and can preform much more difficult moves than a regular level 1 athletes who cannot even back handspring or preform stunts past prep level , obviously they are a talented club nobody’s denying that but they do abuse the system and I don’t believe it’s the correct thing to do , they have basically just teached athletes and young people to cheat to get their way to the top
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82.29.79.120 | Mon 22nd Apr 2019 - 18:19
 
@post14, which team did they take over?
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94.9.106.46 | Mon 22nd Apr 2019 - 18:33
 
@post15 it’s all level one skills but done amazingly well which causes them to win, if they only had athletes that couldn’t BHS or ever done level 2 stunts im sure the routine would be just as good considering there’s like 7 out of the 25 athletes on shadow who are on a level 5 team and those 7 people don’t make them win, the majority of the team are level 1 athletes and every single person can do the incredible tumbles and stunts that are in the routine not just the level 5 athletes
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94.9.106.46 | Mon 22nd Apr 2019 - 18:34
 
@post16, Sussex stars
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92.25.226.103 | Mon 22nd Apr 2019 - 21:41
 
@post17 you clearly know the team very well to know 7 crossover to level 5!
Regardless of crossovers the teams did amazingly this weekend well done to the athletes, let’s not forget those who had to crossover had to compete twice with each team too.
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94.9.106.46 | Mon 22nd Apr 2019 - 22:13
 
@post19, yeah I have friends on the team, and yeah they did do incredible I was just saying how I think the crossovers have nothing to do with it and they shouldn’t be be criticised so much for it
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213.205.241.218 | Tue 23rd Apr 2019 - 07:54
 
Zodiac arent great at level 5.
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92.30.84.123 | Tue 23rd Apr 2019 - 12:51
 
Does anyone know why zodiac got Sussex stars? Is it just the name on the gym or have they got zodiac coaches in there etc??
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ashyy (44) | Tue 23rd Apr 2019 - 15:14
 
It really makes me laugh when people imply that using crossovers is an ‘abuse of the system’. Legal crossovers happen for all sorts of reasons - number crunching, upskilling teams, alternating for injuries/drop outs, allowing higher skilled athletes to compete with lower level friends, parents who want their kids out of their hair as much possible during the week.... The system allows this because it’s entirely fair.

Most people who whine about crossovers use the same old, tired excuses about teams with crossovers being able to put together better routines. Those gyms need to focus on bettering their coaching skills, improving their recruitment and making their gyms more attractive to better athletes. Don’t blame other teams for legally being better than you.
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ashyy (44) | Tue 23rd Apr 2019 - 15:19
 
Also, those coaches have a responsibility only to their paying customers. Andy isn’t lying awake at night and dreaming of losing at competition just because Karen from Eastleigh Allstars got offended by them at BCA.
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kayemm (167) | Tue 23rd Apr 2019 - 15:46
 
@post23 I 100% agree with you! All teams should be striving to have the cleanest and most creative routines at their level regardless of how many or how few level 5 athletes there are on the team. At the end of the day they can all only do the same skills - it's the coaching and choreography that makes a difference. There isn't a rule against it so programmes will continue to do it for a whole variety of reasons - and I guarantee the main reason isn't an easy win.
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86.181.191.57 | Mon 29th Apr 2019 - 12:47
 
@post22, the coaches of Sussex Stars were ‘retiring’ from coaching so the teams have been taken on by Zodiacs
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86.135.24.174 | Thu 2nd May 2019 - 20:59
 
Zodiac =cheats
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86.170.139.1 | Thu 2nd May 2019 - 22:33
 
Haters going to hate - so much BS on here - such a negative forum and some of these comments about Zodiacs are a disgrace. It’s just bitterness and sour grapes. I see that Shadow made it through to finals at Summit....
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2.220.38.148 | Thu 2nd May 2019 - 23:40
 
Yes they did, well done Shadow, and most of the England teams competing did as well, most advancing through 1st and 2nd as well great for uk cheer tonight.
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86.135.24.174 | Fri 3rd May 2019 - 06:40
 
I’m not a hater at all but using the level 5 athletes in a level 1 team is cheating end off and should not be allowed, my opinion and I think your find it’s = cheating
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86.135.24.174 | Fri 3rd May 2019 - 06:44
 
How about zodiac use their level 1 athletes and give them a chance to shine ,
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86.132.53.220 | Fri 3rd May 2019 - 08:07
 
Pink are a senior team.... how is it that everyone has jumped on this bandwagon that Shadow are pink in disguise? it’s amazing how people will follow the ignorance of others. Someone said on a thread previously that there are about 7 that cross over between these 2 teams. 7 barely carries a team that size. Come on now people. Stop listening to gossip and start giving these athletes a chance to just enjoy their moment that they have worked hard for.
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86.170.139.1 | Fri 3rd May 2019 - 08:07
 
@post30, if it’s cheating why haven’t they been disqualified.? Such uneducated comments
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31.64.137.36 | Sun 5th May 2019 - 12:56
 
Obviously not cheating, but think it is disheartening for other teams, the athletes will definitely age out next year, and if they get a bid for pink at worlds they won’t be able to cross over..
I don’t get that they have level 5 athletes in level 1, that’s just crazy.. can you imagine top gun or cheer extreme or any of the big names putting level 5 athletes into level 1!! There would be outrage, it just wouldn’t happen, that’s like putting Kennedy Thames, Gabi fuller etc in a level 1 team.... hilarious 😂 also why would an athlete at that level want to compete in level 1. 😳
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Thu 17th Sep 2020, 23:06
So call the police and report them?
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Thu 17th Sep 2020, 21:08
Stars have put videos on their insta stories today of them stunting after SCE have said it’s definitely not allowed...
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Mon 14th Sep 2020, 10:25
That's what I thought, going to make for a very interesting season, that's if we get to compete at all. Even by next year I cant see large venues being allowed to open. Kids possibly only having a few months if that to work on stunts that they haven't done for the beat part of a year.
Without the income from spectator tickets, merch, plus surely they cant expect the same payment for routines. How are EPs going to survive this?
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Mon 14th Sep 2020, 09:21
@post39 Only non contact and socially distanced dancing is allowed until the distancing rules change. So no lifts etc.
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Mon 14th Sep 2020, 08:42
So with new restrictions coming into place how are the courses such as BGU continuing to run?
Will demo athletes be stunting? The last course I went on the demo team stunted to show us grips etc.
Surely this any happen now as contact is not allowed?

Interested to know if it’s still worth booking coaches onto a course they won’t get full benefit from..

Are we better just doing online qualifications instead?
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