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Team Scotland Coaches
Sunday 18th of August 2019, 00:07
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80.2.21.110 | Mon 22nd Jul 2019 - 19:22
 
As the new coaches for this year is being revealed, what do we think?
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213.205.241.111 | Mon 22nd Jul 2019 - 19:34
 
So far so good πŸ‘πŸ»
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81.103.27.53 | Mon 22nd Jul 2019 - 21:17
 
Where has it been announced
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79.66.10.251 | Mon 22nd Jul 2019 - 21:28
 
Facebook and Instagram
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85.255.236.52 | Mon 22nd Jul 2019 - 21:36
 
Roz hart will be good for Team Scotland as she has experiance but eilidh hamilton just an athlete on cdc and they just compete level 2 ?
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176.253.112.104 | Mon 22nd Jul 2019 - 21:54
 
Roz is undoubtedly amazing . Eilidh may not be as well known but she’s very very good at what she does she’s got a very strong knowledge of the cheer world . We had the pleasure of working with her and I think she will surprise a lot of people . It’s good to see young fresh talent involved
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213.205.241.111 | Mon 22nd Jul 2019 - 22:02
 
Let’s be honest anyone was going to be better than last years coaches . Fingers crossed the senior 5 coaches are a step up also
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31.53.84.240 | Mon 22nd Jul 2019 - 22:51
 
Kind of agree, nice to see someone new for a change even if she’s got a bit less experience
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94.2.160.55 | Mon 22nd Jul 2019 - 23:10
 
Fingers crossed some new more l5 kids tryout this season ...
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86.8.200.98 | Tue 23rd Jul 2019 - 01:07
 
yeah, i can see them pushing the girls to improve, still a long way to go but at least it seems this year the kids will be given a decent chance with a decent coach. looking forward to seeing who will be doing the senior routines
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109.158.33.210 | Tue 23rd Jul 2019 - 08:52
 
Eilidhs been to worlds 5 times including on a level 5 team. That’s pretty experienced.
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213.205.241.244 | Tue 23rd Jul 2019 - 09:04
 
Where was the vote? Roz said thanks to everybody who voted for her. I didn’t know of a vote.
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85.255.232.2 | Tue 23rd Jul 2019 - 09:54
 
I would like to know that to at post above , never saw any voting posted ?
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kayemm (161) | Tue 23rd Jul 2019 - 10:11
 
Is it not the coaches who are members of Sportcheer Scotland that vote? Or maybe the board?
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109.158.33.210 | Tue 23rd Jul 2019 - 12:43
 
Board members of Sport Cheer Scotland voted
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213.205.241.244 | Tue 23rd Jul 2019 - 13:06
 
The board that is filled with cdc, rockstar & Roz & Eilidhs pals then? I’m so glad it was fair.
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213.205.241.244 | Tue 23rd Jul 2019 - 13:14
 
Not starting just saying it doesn’t look very fair. They fight for all this everyone included but do stuff like this
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94.197.121.65 | Tue 23rd Jul 2019 - 13:15
 
Actually it was local reps of which there are about 30
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94.197.121.65 | Tue 23rd Jul 2019 - 13:25
 
If you actually spoke to them instead of jumping to conclusions maybe it’d be a nicer situation. I messaged one of the board and asked and got a reply in about 30 seconds
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213.205.241.244 | Tue 23rd Jul 2019 - 13:28
 
That’s much better then if there is about 30. The board is ran by Roz best friend and business partner it’s hardly jumping to conclusions. I was simply asking a question
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94.197.121.65 | Tue 23rd Jul 2019 - 13:51
 
But you didn’t ask the question, you made the assumption and went straight into accusatory language.
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213.205.241.163 | Tue 23rd Jul 2019 - 14:20
 
Think you will find I did. “Where was the vote?” is a question. I’ve already said that’s better than how it looks that there was 30 people voting. Maybe they should voice this stop people guessing & assuming. I’m not getting into an argument with you. People are allowed an opinion
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109.158.33.210 | Tue 23rd Jul 2019 - 14:20
 
If you applied for a position you also couldn’t vote - so there’s no way it could even be considered biased. 25 ish people voted. Think there’s a very few amount who are CDC that didn’t apply to coach. Therefor there is no way it can be taken away from the fact she was voted in..
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79.66.10.251 | Tue 23rd Jul 2019 - 17:20
 
Accepting that gold star and JCP chose not to apply I don't think their are better people for the job really not sure how that is coming across as biased
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85.255.237.174 | Tue 23rd Jul 2019 - 18:42
 
Goldstar and Jc coaches are being stubborn , it's ridiculous they not helping out
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213.205.241.168 | Tue 23rd Jul 2019 - 19:06
 
It’s the poor gold star and JC kids not getting to do it, that’s such a shame, but then maybe they will be this year try outs not been yet ?
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80.2.22.203 | Tue 23rd Jul 2019 - 19:13
 
i think you will find there's a fair few more than just jc and goldstar not wanting their kids involved. you can't blame these coaches for not thinking it's a good move for their kids. i'm all for having a unified team but it was set up very one sided within the factions of the different scottish teams. imho it's only unified at the moment if you agree with certain teams and no real inclusion of scotland as a whole
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86.139.133.174 | Tue 23rd Jul 2019 - 19:24
 
BORING are people still going on about this πŸ˜‚
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80.2.20.43 | Tue 23rd Jul 2019 - 19:28
 
that's the problem, your not allowed to speak up or voice your opinion if it's not in favour of team scotland and how it was set up. very much a clique where your with us if you agree with our views only. scotland will get there in the end but it's going to be a very long road i think
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79.66.10.251 | Tue 23rd Jul 2019 - 19:45
 
@post27 and @post29 I really disagree the application was open to anyone to apply to coach I think if some of the teams who don't feel like it is the right thing to be part of it had applied they would have got the jobs hands down no questions asked. The athletes on the team would then be chosen by them, coached by them and compete a routine choreographed by them.

If they truly believe the coaches chosen aren't up to the job so much so it is not safe for their kids to be involved then they have the opportunity to be the person leading all the classes

The sportcheer Scotland people have been vocal on here that everyone is welcome to be part of it, the application process welcomes anyone and was plastered all over social media... Im not sure how it could be more inclusive?
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213.205.241.163 | Tue 23rd Jul 2019 - 20:22
 
@post30 they don’t have the opportunity to run the classes though. You apply to a board that is very much one sided against other coaches from the teams that people on the board run!

4 coaches announced so far 3 are from CDC. The president of sport cheer Scotland runs cdc. The only one now a coach at cdc is the person who runs CDC’s bestie & business partner.

You need to agree it doesn’t look the best
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213.205.241.163 | Tue 23rd Jul 2019 - 20:23
 
Not* a coach at CDC that should say
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176.253.112.104 | Tue 23rd Jul 2019 - 20:43
 
It’s also highly likely it’s mostly people from the likes of cdc applying and winning because they are heavily qualified . If you look at the list of local authority reps there’s 20 different programmes represented and all get a vote , they are from wide and far Scotland and are all clearly making good choices for Scotland .
CDC are a phenomenal programme and if it is a lot of there coaching staff then good we will be well represented at ICU. You all moan when they are not qualified enough and now they are qualified we are still moaning ?
If others that are equally as qualified don’t come forward then it’s tough titty.

And if you all really don’t like it don’t be part of it , don’t comment and drag attention to it you just look bitter .
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213.205.241.98 | Tue 23rd Jul 2019 - 20:56
 
Theres a list of the local authority on Facebook somewhere
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213.205.241.98 | Tue 23rd Jul 2019 - 21:10
 
Kirsten Ritchie - Aberdeen council

Leeanne Wrench -Argyll and Bute Council

Karen Martin -Clackmannanshire Council

Kayleigh Nicolson -Comhairle nan Eilean Siar (Western Isles Council)

Hannah Clark -Dundee City Council

Tammy Harkins -East Ayrshire Council

Stacy Greer- East Dunbartonshire Council

Vicky Laird -East Lothian Council Lothian

Jacqui McGory -East Renfrewshire Council

Ross Barron -Edinburgh City Council

Maddie Jamieson -Falkirk Council

Katie Black -Fife Council

Jennifer Greer -Glasgow City Council

Diane Macaskill -Highland Council

Ann Marie Campbell -Inverclyde Council

Louise McClure -Midlothian Council

Moray Council Highlands and Islands

Leanne Caird -South Ayrshire Council

Jennifer Boyle - North Lanarkshire Council

Emma Davies -Perth & Kinross Council

Sarah McNeill- Renfrewshire council

Nicola Hamilton- South Lanarkshire Council

Lisa Tausney - West Dunbartonshire Council
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85.255.233.206 | Tue 23rd Jul 2019 - 21:25
 
And majority above all friends of Lisa and Roz
, just so sad that the 3 Of the best cheer teams in Scotland
Goldstar ,jc and cosmic flames are not getting involved because of the fall out
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31.53.84.240 | Tue 23rd Jul 2019 - 21:29
 
So are they not allowed to have friends?! Honestly I don’t know how we can keep going in circles. We all with those programs would get involved. They don’t want to. They didn’t apply. So let’s all move on and do the best with what we’ve got please
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31.53.84.240 | Tue 23rd Jul 2019 - 21:41
 
We all wish that should have read, sorry
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176.253.112.104 | Tue 23rd Jul 2019 - 21:56
 
Most coaches are friends are they not ? Yeah there’s coaches out there who don’t see eye to eye but it’s rare now you go to a comp and don’t see most coaches chatting away and getting on.

Your clearly one of the few people who don’t get on with everyone above . Sad for you
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89.242.186.176 | Tue 23rd Jul 2019 - 22:42
 
Everyone needs to get over the fact that Jc and GS will not be part of it, it’s their choice. What everyone else needs to do now is get behind the teams going in 2020 and support your country if you can’t support the athletes on the teams.. I have faith in the coaches announced.
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185.69.145.89 | Wed 24th Jul 2019 - 09:12
 
Just saying...... pretty sure Eilidh used ro be at JC
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85.255.233.92 | Wed 24th Jul 2019 - 11:48
 
Ye she did and I think she has cousins that go there
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85.255.233.229 | Wed 24th Jul 2019 - 12:29
 
Yes she was with Jc for years , best friend with their coach
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85.255.234.232 | Wed 24th Jul 2019 - 13:36
 
I wish them all well. Good to see a scotland bringing the sport to the spotlight
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188.29.164.234 | Wed 24th Jul 2019 - 16:18
 
Those coaches won’t make a difference.
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85.255.236.169 | Wed 24th Jul 2019 - 17:29
 
Coaches need athletes at that level for it to be successful I hope they get level 4 athletes audition
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82.43.90.99 | Wed 24th Jul 2019 - 17:34
 
Unless Jc and gs try out then I doubt there will
Be many at level
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176.254.131.4 | Wed 24th Jul 2019 - 18:20
 
Oh please shut up about JC and GS! Theres plenty of talented kids all over Scotland! Just because they may not compete at that level doesn't mean they dont have the skills for it!
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185.69.145.220 | Wed 24th Jul 2019 - 18:36
 
Oh my
What about senior pom coaches and Adaptive abilities Pom ??? This is a joke
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85.255.233.157 | Wed 24th Jul 2019 - 18:40
 
I think all the coaches are great. Can’t say anything about Senior Pom when black were so successful this year alongside team Scotland. Adaptive both seem positive and excited maybe less experienced but doesn’t mean they won’t be passionate.
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176.253.112.104 | Wed 24th Jul 2019 - 18:44
 
Senior Pom? Stacy Greer has coached that team for 2 seasons and been extremely successful along with her own programmes teams nobody can question that girls ability she’s up there with the best of the best !
Nicole has always coached the junior team and has always done an outstanding job I’m sure working on senior will be no different ? She’s also amongst the best Scotland have to offer !


Adaptive abilities it’s the very first year of it nobody has the right to comment on amy and Leanne until you see what they produce .. honestly how bloody boring is this all getting . Get over it
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85.255.234.139 | Wed 24th Jul 2019 - 18:53
 
All just cdc lovers ha
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213.205.241.98 | Wed 24th Jul 2019 - 19:01
 
You all want the best people for the job as you keep repeating?
You cannot not argue that having CDC coaches is a bad thing 🀣🀣🀣 they are world class in every division they enter and that’s down to their coaching staff so we are god damn lucky they are coaching our national teams
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82.43.90.99 | Wed 24th Jul 2019 - 19:32
 
How can you compare Stacey and Nicole to Claire, Joanne and Jade.
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185.69.145.184 | Wed 24th Jul 2019 - 19:36
 
They don't want involved so shut up and let us get on with what and who we have !
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176.253.112.104 | Wed 24th Jul 2019 - 19:37
 
Well for one Stacy’s team went against jade and Joanne at worlds and won and I’m sure that’s not the only time .
I’m not saying Claire wouldn’t also be amazing at the job of course she would but she’s not in the mix ?having said that Stacy and Nicole are not any less capable than Claire .

Claire may have more experience through her age but jade Infact has less experience she’s the same age as Stacy and Nicole and has less worlds experiences under her belt ?

Joanne - please don’t make everyone laugh god lord βœ‹
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213.205.241.98 | Wed 24th Jul 2019 - 19:39
 
The only 2 team Scotland teams to go out without a cdc coach involved or a coach of cdc level last year where the worst two teams team Scotland produced . So until more coaches of cdc standard come forward then they are they best people for the job. It’s a shame people are still trying so desperately hard to boycott it
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82.29.6.35 | Wed 24th Jul 2019 - 20:03
 
@54 Stacy coached black who competed against & placed higher than jade/joanne’s worlds team this year? When the teams used to compete against each other I’m pretty sure CDC junior Pom team that Nicole taught was always placing higher than theirs?! Clearly you would rather they coach the national teams & your entitled to your opinion however if these coaches don’t go forward & apply for the job like the rest then who else are you suggesting is better for the role? It’s not as if these coaches want to step up and take the role on and never got it , they are clearly not interested so why are you so bothered when the coaches your trying to involve aren’t!
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82.132.218.185 | Wed 24th Jul 2019 - 20:13
 
This thread makes no sense. Many people saying it’s only CDC coaches coaching teams for team Scotland. Then 2 coaches from completely different teams get given an amazing opportunity of coaching the first adaptive abilities Pom team and they get shot down on this. Do any of you have any idea of what that can do to people’s confidence? Team Scotland and sportcheer Scotland are suppose to bring people together. Why can we support the teams that will be representing our country and to be honest if you can’t then try and keep your opinions to yourself! If you think these coaches from other teams could do a better job then so be it but they haven’t applied and unfortunately the way that the board for sportcheer Scotland have chosen to select coaches is the fairest way regardless of what some people may think. How would it look if the board picked an allstar team? Would they be favouring that team? Therefore whatever way it’s looked at people will always have opinions.

On another note I wish all the coaching staff the best of luck for this season and can not wait to see what you all produce to take to ICU 2020 πŸ’™ xxx
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213.205.241.39 | Wed 24th Jul 2019 - 20:23
 
Leanne Wrench is just a cdc & maddie jamieson arse licker
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90.203.21.131 | Wed 24th Jul 2019 - 20:32
 
@post57.....if you are talking about the cheer teams....anyone with any sense knows it is far more difficult to coach a cheer team with lower level athletes and trying to coach them up to level 4/5 in a short space of time. ALL the dance teams had high skilled athletes from strong dance teams/experience. The dance coaches would admit themselves that DANCE is easier to coach than CHEER. Junior cheer put out a strong performance with NO stunt bobbles/falls and good technique....was it all level 4?? -NO!! but when you have a team full of level 1 and 2 athletes what are they supposed to do?? Senior cheer had an even harder job as they had to go to an even higher level.......with same level kids...was it perfect ?? - NO!! but again what are they supposed to do?? So rather than comparing CHEER to DANCE......or level 1 -5.....take on board all the factors it takes to make a strong CHEER routine........coaches can be GREAT......i've seen so many GREAT coaches out there but sometimes its not enough....so rather than making it that they were awful (which they were not!!)....take a step back and take everything into consideration......good luck all TS coaches i hope one day i can read this forum and not see Scotland implode with this awful trolling that makes me cringe!!
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80.2.21.171 | Wed 24th Jul 2019 - 20:34
 
you can say it's inclusive of everyone but clearly it's not, it's made is certain teams favour and that's just fact. it does not matter how many times it's said, it does not make it true. hopefully one day we can have a true representation of scotland and the talent but until their is an unbiased and highly stacked in certain teams favour system this won't happen and you can't blame teams for avoiding it. people have a voice and opinion on this because it affects our kids and u til their is a truly fair system this is going to be the view of a lot of people. the nation is clearly divided, instead of just expecting us to like it or lump it how about actually trying to make positive changes to scotland has a proper chance to shine on stage.
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82.28.179.174 | Wed 24th Jul 2019 - 20:37
 
What positive changes do you suggest?
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92.40.249.240 | Wed 24th Jul 2019 - 20:47
 
@post62 what would you suggest??? Should they be personally inviting certain coaches to apply/coach? Surely that’d be even more biased?
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176.254.222.217 | Wed 24th Jul 2019 - 20:48
 
I don’t think there is a more fair way than opening coaching positions and holding open auditions...
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213.205.241.126 | Wed 24th Jul 2019 - 20:51
 
Why doesn’t one of the few coaches who are against it try getting and involved and just see what happens .. either as coaching staff or a board member or something ? Then make your mind up ?

My guess is you don’t want to incase you eat your words - which you will as you will be welcomed .

One day more than likely closer to the commonwealth you will want to be a part of it and you will eventually see you will have a place .
Until then my suggestion is nobody bites back to this ridiculous round and circles debate anymore , the people who are involved the kids coaches and parents who are allowed to experience it all know what it’s about and that’s all that matter
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82.28.179.174 | Wed 24th Jul 2019 - 21:00
 
Amen! @post66. I personally can’t wait until those who aren’t involved come forward, it will bring nothing but great things to team Scotland! Until then I hope everyone who comes forward this year has a great time at worlds
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86.22.254.129 | Fri 26th Jul 2019 - 18:40
 
Some of the girls from my team
Competed with team Scotland last year... an opportunity I can’t currently give them.
Our team is not on any ‘side’. I like and respect CDC, JC, Goldstar just the same.
Stop trying to make drama just for the sake of it- not everyone wants involved in the drama and just wants the best for their kids
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85.255.232.173 | Fri 26th Jul 2019 - 20:06
 
Honestly wish they had Came forward this year as could have really benefited Team Scotland 2020 especially cheer as in my opinion the better cheer teams are the ones not involved Goldstar , Jc and cosmic flames . Dance will do ok as they have cdc , Phoenix and probably few other good dancers but cheer will struggle again for sure .
These teams above should see that , why not send their athletes for such an amazing opportunity
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213.205.241.166 | Fri 26th Jul 2019 - 20:12
 
Roz getting to coach two teams over other coaches not even being offered roles.

All inclusive this management team isn’t it.
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213.205.241.16 | Fri 26th Jul 2019 - 20:14
 
Roz because she’s much more qualified than everyone else who applys? No brainier
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213.205.241.166 | Fri 26th Jul 2019 - 20:17
 
Yeah ok so just shove everyone else aside that wanted to at least be involved to give one coach two teams!
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90.203.21.131 | Fri 26th Jul 2019 - 20:18
 
theres other coaches who are qualified/experienced up to level 5 who applied......so much for unified......just waiting to see the board seats now all become part of same clique....
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31.53.84.240 | Fri 26th Jul 2019 - 20:40
 
Who else applied do we know?
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217.163.51.138 | Fri 26th Jul 2019 - 21:57
 
how do you know who else applied? and if so it was down to a vote so surely there's a reason these people never got voted in (experience)
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85.255.234.178 | Fri 26th Jul 2019 - 22:16
 
This whole Team Scotland is about Roz and Lisa and everyone going find that out sooner or later ! Last season all we heard was Roz had nothing to do with TS cmon !! Now she coaching JUNIOR and SENIOR . Joke
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82.43.90.99 | Fri 26th Jul 2019 - 22:21
 
And then you expect coaches like jade Joanne and Claire to come forward !!
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79.66.10.251 | Fri 26th Jul 2019 - 23:34
 
So out of the people who did/would apply who do you think is better placed to coach the senior team?
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213.205.241.10 | Sat 27th Jul 2019 - 02:13
 
Yeah she had nothing to do with it last year but still gave a big speech at the ball & was at some practices. It was obvious she was gonna be involved after the first year. She couldn’t be involved first year as everyone would say it was predictable - so waited a season. It’s actually laughable how stupid they think everyone is. When is senior hip hop coaches being announced? Wonder what CDC coaches got that.
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31.54.79.179 | Sat 27th Jul 2019 - 10:49
 
The other application for senior pulled out. People thinking they know what happened. Laughable.
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90.203.21.131 | Sat 27th Jul 2019 - 11:01
 
yeah we will just ignore the fact that there was another cheer coach in the running lol this is EXACTLY how people predicted it would turn out........and look at that........it can be covered up all you like but its pretty obvious whats going on here.....
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86.139.135.25 | Sat 27th Jul 2019 - 11:03
 
Roz never done team Scotland last year as her team trained on the days they had class as song rockstar athletes got into teams then couldn’t do team Scotland as they had their own classes. So before you start your conspiracy theories @post79 get your facts straight first. The laughable thing about what you’ve said is if Roz wanted to coach last year I’m sure she would of been welcomed. Sorry to let you down your theory is incorrect 😭
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86.139.135.25 | Sat 27th Jul 2019 - 11:05
 
Also her Facebook is Rozlyn Hart why don’t you message her @post79 and ask her these things and let her know what you think instead of writing on an anonymous forum?
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79.66.10.251 | Sat 27th Jul 2019 - 11:12
 
I'm finding some of these arguements hard to understand, do anyone who wants to be involved in coaching should be? I'm all for welcoming people but if you do not have the right experience, track record for success or qualifications then why should you be trusted with the safety and education of the athletes?????

The people who voted, board or committee whatever they are called, obviously reviewed all the applications and used their professional judgement to decide who is best for the role. It isn't about pleasing all the applicants by giving them all a shot, this is the same as any job you apply for.
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90.203.21.131 | Sat 27th Jul 2019 - 11:27
 
funny how the coaches are 'good enough' one year then the next when certain people come on board they are considered not good enough anymore.....convenient......
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82.132.216.6 | Sat 27th Jul 2019 - 11:38
 
AHH so now we are getting into the real issue someone who coached last year applied and never got the job.
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31.53.84.240 | Sat 27th Jul 2019 - 12:07
 
@post84 Strongly agree!!! Last year this forum went wild saying that the coaches didn’t have enough experience and that they were a danger to the athletes at such a high level, it was unsafe etc etc. I don’t think anyone can argue that about the coaches this year, so surely it’s a good thing?! I’d much rather have a coach who knows what they’re doing coaching both than a level 2 coach trying level 5. This isn’t the Girl Scouts, not everyone is getting a turn, it’s about using the best of what was offered
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31.53.84.240 | Sat 27th Jul 2019 - 12:12
 
@post85 obviously not referring to all, but a lot of the coaches from last year can’t win at levels 1 or 2. They were underqualified, so maybe this year when a better candidate came along they were pushed down the list. It’s not unfair, it’s be the same in any job
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176.24.141.129 | Sat 27th Jul 2019 - 19:14
 
Agree at post above , they didn't have the experience , so Roz will be better although still not sure I agree with the whole Roz and Lisa scenario taking over team Scotland
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85.255.234.227 | Sat 27th Jul 2019 - 19:19
 
Claire mccreath And jade Hunter should be getting involved and coaching Cheer for sure . Cmon guys get over your disagreements and help these kids And your country
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85.255.233.45 | Sat 27th Jul 2019 - 19:20
 
@post90 they should of applied but they didn’t go speak to them about it instead of trying to cause arguments
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82.132.218.86 | Sat 27th Jul 2019 - 19:34
 
@post90 I agree Claire getting involved would be excellent for the national team but not Jade who seems to be highly overrated . Have we all forgotten about the plagiarism of routines?
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91.84.54.233 | Sat 27th Jul 2019 - 20:06
 
Shame they cant put whatever happened between them and care enough for Scotland’s national teams
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85.255.234.240 | Sat 27th Jul 2019 - 20:20
 
@post92 I moved my kids to Jc and cannot believe difference in them under jades coaching . She is the best at what she does and she spends so much time with all the athletes . I think on reading your comment you obviously dislike jade , maybe you hold grudge or something ? Not sure , but what I have to say now is I also know Roz and I definately wouldn't be want her to coach my kids on what I know , in fact tempted to post here a few things I know !
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82.132.219.44 | Sat 27th Jul 2019 - 20:33
 
@post94 certainly no grudges on my part, I had a lot of respect for her until she put blatantly ripped off routines on the floor passing them off as her own choreography...on more than one occasion!
Clearly the only person with a grudge here is you!
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213.205.241.109 | Sat 27th Jul 2019 - 21:01
 
Let’s just hope Roz stays sober for her teams performances. Couldn’t manage it at scotcheer. I’m sure there is something in the rules about drunk coaches but of course blind eye turned again. Openly standing swigging out a bottle of wine. Not who I would want coaching my kid
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82.28.179.174 | Sat 27th Jul 2019 - 21:30
 
So excited for team Scotland this year!! Already have high expectations for pom, jazz and hip hop after the coach reveal, they were fab last year! Always enjoy rockstar cheer routines so I’m excited for cheer this year with Roz on board.

Quite frankly, the negative attention directed at coaches on either ‘side’ is an absolute disgrace and really upsetting. To think that it is adults who are party to this behaviour baffles me.

The ‘haters’ have made their point, enough is enough, you don’t think the people on board are good enough, that’s fine, everyone is entitled to their opinion. What confuses me is that you openly say they aren’t good enough but you are not on the team and never will be so why do you care so much? If you hate it so much then stay away, it’s the best thing for you, national teams in all sports need support and companionship not constant negativity, especially from people who apparently want nothing to do with it anyway?
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94.2.160.55 | Sat 27th Jul 2019 - 21:42
 
@post94 what do u know
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85.255.232.38 | Sat 27th Jul 2019 - 22:17
 
A lot of drunk coaches at scotcheer. Who the hell sells alcohol at a competition??? Venue error.
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213.205.241.109 | Sat 27th Jul 2019 - 22:41
 
Just cause the venue sells it doesn’t mean the coaches need to drink it
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80.2.23.104 | Sat 27th Jul 2019 - 22:55
 
most venues sell it that iv noticed
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85.255.233.138 | Sun 28th Jul 2019 - 13:04
 
Coaches should not be drinking at a comp that's discraceful.
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89.241.186.232 | Sun 28th Jul 2019 - 13:18
 
If I saw something at an event like that and I was concerned I would report it to the event producer I wouldn't wait months down the line and post about it on a forum
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213.205.241.78 | Sun 28th Jul 2019 - 16:15
 
How do you know it wasn’t reported. Post says a blind eye was turned!
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176.254.131.4 | Sun 28th Jul 2019 - 20:35
 
Swigging from a bottle is shocking! Not professional at all!!
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85.255.236.172 | Mon 29th Jul 2019 - 12:20
 
FFS.This is ridiculous! Get a grip. Swigging from a bottle? Proof please? She didnt seem drunk when we spoke to her! I am excited to see what goes on the floor for team scotland this year. The coaches are very talented and i think the adative team will blow everyone away, i think Leanne is exactly what they need for that particular team patient, friendly and she such a drive. Roz & Eilidh will be the perfect partnership complete opposites with respect for each other as well as there creatively and a passion for cheer! Nicole, Stacy, Sharlene, Tammy, Allana & Karen there results last year spoke for themselves! Amy, Jen Maddie, highly talented, enthusiastic & have been involved in performing and choreoing in there allstar teams as well as outwith. This team that has been put together will do amazing things they are highly qualified, well respected woman. Maybe about time we all cheered from the sidelines instead of trying to pull people down.
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82.132.217.158 | Mon 29th Jul 2019 - 12:51
 
@post106 I couldn't have said it better myself
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85.255.235.135 | Mon 29th Jul 2019 - 14:43
 
Roz was well drunk at Scotcheer , I think everyone just accepts as they scared of her
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92.236.11.125 | Mon 29th Jul 2019 - 18:36
 
I’m certainly not scared of Roz is that a joke! Just like the whole Team Scotland coaching & staff choice is a joke!! It wouldn’t have mattered who applied the outcome would have been the same, it’s a clique and always will be. Even their tactics last season were for their benefit to make them look better this season!! Disgraceful and I know a few credible coaches that applied and got nowhete, yet Roz gets to coach both teams!! What a shameful shambles ! Such a shame on Scotland and the numerous kids hat are talented but won’t get a chance to be on TS ☹️ Watch this space as the TS squads will be made up of all the coaches teams!!!
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213.205.241.7 | Mon 29th Jul 2019 - 19:22
 
Every coach at scotcheer was giving a small bottle of Prosecco from Jo, that we all more or less drank. It was a small bottle it was hardly a piss up . Roz and Lauren had an arguement which we all know about so this is now obviously Lauren and her possy set for revenge it’s sad get over it .
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82.33.250.226 | Mon 29th Jul 2019 - 19:28
 
Why can’t you all go concentrate on your own teams if you don’t like team Scotland then just get on with it and let them get on with it . I could never offer the worlds experience to my team and I know can thanks to TS being unified .

If you all think for a minute that doing this as bids or something would give other people a chance your all deluded . The only teams that would be in for a shot would be CDC JC and goldstat. So most of you running your mouths would still never have a chance of being involved
And if you think Claire jade or Joanne running team Scotland would give you a chance then your beyond crazy they are all for themselves the only reason there raging about team Scotland is because thy can’t have it for themselves. They wouldn’t consider any of us for the teams .
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82.28.179.174 | Mon 29th Jul 2019 - 19:31
 
Love Scotcheer, great excuse for a tipple
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148.252.129.168 | Mon 29th Jul 2019 - 20:00
 
This was a set up by Roz and Lisa to run Team Scotland , Roz deliberately kept behind scenes saying she wasn't involved cmon . I realise that now after they have now dropped coaches this year and Roz coaching both . Disgrace !
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213.205.241.38 | Mon 29th Jul 2019 - 20:03
 
This is so funny there was literally 2 rockstars on team Scotland last year and maybe about 18 cdc across all 7 divisions of that ? . There was 120 athletes so they are hardly taking over Jesus
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89.241.186.232 | Mon 29th Jul 2019 - 20:09
 
@post113 who do you think should have got the job?? You seem to be in the know about who applied. As far as I heard there was only one coach from last year who applied ....
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85.255.236.244 | Mon 29th Jul 2019 - 21:01
 
I know of 2
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89.241.186.232 | Mon 29th Jul 2019 - 21:22
 
Two cheer coaches ???@post116,
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92.40.248.43 | Mon 29th Jul 2019 - 21:50
 
I also only know of one who didn’t get a job...
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31.53.84.240 | Mon 29th Jul 2019 - 22:33
 
@post109 kids from my team were involved last year and we all bought T-shirt’s because they had what, 20-25 team names on the back?! It’s not only CDC and rockstar. But stupid to say that tbh
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31.53.84.240 | Mon 29th Jul 2019 - 22:34
 
@post119 but sorry
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31.53.84.240 | Mon 29th Jul 2019 - 22:37
 
BIT. Jesus Christ πŸ™ˆ
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85.255.237.26 | Mon 29th Jul 2019 - 23:09
 
Poor Sarah McNeil
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86.170.76.97 | Mon 29th Jul 2019 - 23:27
 
Sarah achieved nothing with her team last year. Leanne did all the work and she took the credit.
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86.170.76.97 | Mon 29th Jul 2019 - 23:28
 
Everyone moaned they weren’t well qualified last year and now Roz who is qualified gets it and still moaning.
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176.254.131.4 | Tue 30th Jul 2019 - 08:15
 
Surely Sarah having a team going to Summit is an achievement?
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176.253.112.104 | Tue 30th Jul 2019 - 08:43
 
Sarah made far too many mistakes along the road last year I think the board would have done an injustice to everyone if they allowed her to coach again this year.
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80.2.20.149 | Tue 30th Jul 2019 - 09:32
 
there was 5 bids available and only 4 eligible teams, it would of been pretty hard for any of those 4 teams not to get a bid at that comp.
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80.2.22.235 | Tue 30th Jul 2019 - 13:29
 
@post110 I take it I am the Lauren you refer to.... I have absolutely no input in this whatsoever and certainly am not qualified to be criticising who has what coaching role for team Scotland, having been to worlds once as a spectator. I didn't personally have an argument with anyone other coaches conduct is none of my business. Just to clarify i wish all the athletes/coaches luck at worlds.
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85.255.232.107 | Tue 30th Jul 2019 - 14:52
 
Well done Lauren for speaking out publicly
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213.205.241.92 | Fri 2nd Aug 2019 - 01:27
 
Such a shame to see Scotland on here still embarrassing themselves and each other. I have to admit I wasn’t a fan originally of unified teams in the beginning as I believed all star programmes have the ability to train more, harder and would always put a better foot forward but I have to eat my own words as last year I was impressed what the teams achieved and the routines.
It’s just horrible to see all the hatred and bitterness when coaches are investing their time and energy to create something amazing for all kids across Scotland. Whither it looks biased to others or not I am thrilled to see who’s coaching and excited to see what they come up with. CDC are amazing program and watching them perform for years they always put their best foot forward and they would do the same for team Scotland. I don’t believe they would do anything half hearted. As many have stated I think the best people for the Jobs that were in the running have been picked based on their experience and expertise. That being said I’m not being biased as in an ideal world I’d love Claire from Goldstar to be the senior cheer coach as she has the experience and has took her team to worlds many times and knows level 5 probably the most out of all Scotland’s coaches, not taking anything away from Roz as she too has experience but with Claire not in the running Roz is definitely the best fit for the job.
To slander her name on here though is just disgusting, whither you like her or not. What is all that hatred and nastyness going to achieve? This all stems from somewhere and I have to say it must come from the coaches any feuds in the past or disagreements should have been handled in a dignified manner, instead of year after year kids growing older and into this world of hating this team and that team because our coaches don’t like each other. Coaches should be setting an example and teaching kids life lessons and not just in cheer, kids watch and learn from everything from what they hear and what they see. It would be a better place if everyone could kiss and Make up but in reality that won’t happen but even in life kids will
Grow up and have to work alongside colleagues they may not like or not get on with but we all have to be professional in these situations. Like Lisa and Roz doing this all for themselves stems from somewhere. I’m sure Team Scotland would welcome anyone who wanted to be apart of it and put the best foot forward. If you didn’t get a coaching job you liked also what example are you setting to the many kids and athletes that come on and real all this? When you apply for your dream job and don’t get it spit the dummy out and slander the company? Not the example I’d want set for my kids.
Rather than wasting all that energy and anger into hatred could be put into making something amazing and just shows with team England doing so well and are away ahead of Scotland in cheer by miles.
I’m sure Team Scotland will be amazing, I cannot wait to see what they all come up with, I hope all the athletes that are successful have an experience of a lifetime and I wish all the coaches best of luck. Xx
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185.69.145.90 | Fri 2nd Aug 2019 - 08:16
 
At post above , I feel sad too that because coaches ( like Claire ) won't let her athletes audition is the worse . It's obvious we all know the coaches don't get on and there is a divide, but why not let their athletes audition ?? That in itself is holding Scotland back from placing higher as these coaches obviously have the higher level athletes ! I don't think these other kids who are competing in level 2 are ever going to step up and compete well at level 5 at worlds . It's like any sport you need training and comp practice at that level before thinking you can suddenly be a level 5 base . It's not easy . To me Scottish coaches need try make up their differences for a successful Scotland at worlds .
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213.205.241.70 | Fri 2nd Aug 2019 - 09:50
 
Well said !!
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31.221.79.8 | Fri 2nd Aug 2019 - 10:23
 
Ever think maybe there athletes don’t want to tryout.
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92.236.11.125 | Fri 2nd Aug 2019 - 12:06
 
@post119 I said watch this space about the selection from this year not last year!! So whose stupid now?
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185.69.145.90 | Fri 2nd Aug 2019 - 12:16
 
Do you need your coaches permission to audition?
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213.205.241.70 | Fri 2nd Aug 2019 - 12:58
 
@post135, your going to make yourself look stupid when yet another large volume of teams are selected once again.
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185.69.145.90 | Fri 2nd Aug 2019 - 13:24
 
What do you mean at post above ? I'm just unsure if you need your own coaches permission ? I can't see that anywhere ?
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86.111.173.218 | Fri 2nd Aug 2019 - 13:29
 
I don’t think you do, but obviously might cause drama if they don’t want you to and you do
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176.253.112.104 | Fri 2nd Aug 2019 - 13:36
 
I think last year if they got a place they got a contract or something and it said before accepting please have your coaches permission ? Can’t remember maybe that was the year before .
Some kids don’t have coaches from unis etc
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82.132.216.69 | Fri 2nd Aug 2019 - 23:42
 
@post133 agreed, I don’t know why there’s so much focus on “these athletes should try out” and “this coach should volunteer to be involved” - maybe they’ve got enough going on with school/work/uni and their own teams? Maybe it’s too much of a time commitment or too expensive? It’s not worth an argument and drama over.
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176.253.112.104 | Sat 3rd Aug 2019 - 08:24
 
I don’t think for a minute the team Scotland staff are upset about certain athletes not attending tryouts and equally I don’t think these athletes and coaches that are not attending are upset either , i am sure if they were they would do something about it.

It’s everyone in between causing drama when the reality is all the professionals / head coaches etc in both party’s are really not sweating about it so why is everyone else
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81.108.135.45 | Sun 4th Aug 2019 - 17:05
 
It's all a con look at things closely CDC have done what everyone didn't want jc or gold star doing ??? It's all a pals act wake up people they did 2hqt they what opposed too πŸ€”πŸ€”
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81.108.135.45 | Sun 4th Aug 2019 - 17:07
 
What they are opposed too lol sneaky
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148.252.128.106 | Sun 4th Aug 2019 - 18:52
 
Let Roz and Lisa get on with it , they done great job so far
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81.108.135.45 | Sun 4th Aug 2019 - 22:22
 
United it is not let's not pretend
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85.255.232.12 | Sun 4th Aug 2019 - 23:59
 
Self gain for cdc and rockstar , people realising this now . They shouldn't be allowed to take kids from programmes
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89.241.186.232 | Mon 5th Aug 2019 - 07:34
 
I'm sure I saw a post on their Facebook that over 50 programmes have athletes trying out this year. That is pretty United if you ask me !!
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85.255.232.50 | Tue 6th Aug 2019 - 12:56
 
I never thought there was 50 teams in Scotland , if there are you never hear of them ?
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85.255.235.139 | Wed 7th Aug 2019 - 11:26
 
Taking kids from programmes really? What happened?
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kayemm (161) | Wed 7th Aug 2019 - 12:41
 
@post148 they don't need to be allstar cheer programmes though. There could be people from dance schools and university teams trying out as it's not a requirement to be a member of an allstar programme.
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85.255.232.131 | Fri 9th Aug 2019 - 21:16
 
Heard 2 girls from Jc has sent in application , surprising . Break through maybe ?
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176.252.240.44 | Sat 10th Aug 2019 - 13:53
 
And they’ll probs be kicked out JC or move to another team if this is true , can’t see JC allowing it
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213.205.241.28 | Sat 10th Aug 2019 - 20:16
 
352 programmes involved ... pretty united if you ask me
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86.8.201.139 | Sat 10th Aug 2019 - 20:56
 
it's 50 odd programmes not 352 πŸ€”πŸ€”
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185.69.144.36 | Sat 10th Aug 2019 - 21:17
 
Who's the 2 Jc athletes ?
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185.69.144.8 | Sun 11th Aug 2019 - 09:17
 
You will find out today at post above !
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151.231.236.57 | Sun 11th Aug 2019 - 11:14
 
352???
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86.172.90.37 | Sun 11th Aug 2019 - 11:26
 
352 auditions, 57 programs. Just dropped my daughter off. Just found out some of the kids arent in dance programs but do gymnastics or used to dance. So 57 plus really.
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86.8.201.139 | Sun 11th Aug 2019 - 13:02
 
is that 350 different auditions or 350 different kids? the cheer does not look to busy on instagrame if that is junior and senior at the same time? i do expect the dance to much larger.
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148.252.128.182 | Sun 11th Aug 2019 - 15:03
 
Audituons. Looks like there was 40 odd for cheer
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94.2.111.68 | Mon 12th Aug 2019 - 14:17
 
since when have tryouts become auditions
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86.152.189.224 | Mon 12th Aug 2019 - 19:19
 
@post161 do they not more or less mean the same thing? Audition for something in the arts, tryout for a sport? Since dancing is an art I’d say both are fine?
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81.108.135.45 | Mon 12th Aug 2019 - 23:46
 
57 programmes and not enough athletes to make a senior team??
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80.2.21.45 | Tue 13th Aug 2019 - 00:28
 
Only 46 people showed up, just over half that had applied for the junior/senior senior cheer try-outs.
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cheerworld2020 (1) | Tue 13th Aug 2019 - 12:28
 
Hi,

I have raised serious concerns with the way Team Scotland is run. Anyone looking in from the outside can quite clearly see that CDC and Rockstar coaches and management all have positions within the Board along with a few select others to make it look fair. The problem is that Tram Scotland and CDC are being run in conjunction with each other and are more or less the same entity. I’m in the knowledge that those board members did NOT submit an application to be part of the board are were selected because of their affiliation with CDC and the president Lisa Tausney. She knows if she fills the board with her colleagues from CDC and it comes to a vote on anything then they are going to back her leaving the rest of the board fighting a losing battle. They don’t even follow there own code of conduct either, it’s been made well aware that teams who once did allow athletes to attend auditions to stop sending them because within the time these athletes they move to CDC and the rules state you can’t benefit from working with TS and his is quite clearly the case, CDC hold all tryouts and now all practices at their own gym so that they get paid directly for using their own facilities. Also, poaching of athletes is ridiculous, they have private conversations with athletes and promise the world and this is proven FACTS. I have been in correspondence with hem and they are horrendous at getting back to you or give a drummed out response and don’t answer the questions put to them. I have also informed the ICU about the ongoings with Team Scotland as I think it’s best they step
In to clear the mess that’s being created and start from scratch with Team Scotland. Scotland is a diverse place with lots of talented athletes and coaches and currently TS is not a fair representation of that. TS is 95% made up of CDC and ROckstar athletes and also, they post up videos of certain teams practicing before the auditions. Let’s be honest they know who they want on the floor before any off the other athletes even hit the audition floor. It’s favouritism at the highest level and considering the presidents two daughters make it every year (both very talented) however, there is definitely people being biased. I would also like to point out, last years coaches selection gave people a title but not necessarily doing anything other than collect the money at class. If the problems aren’t fixed within Team scotland by making it a more diverse management by limiting the amount of coaches who can apply from one programme then it will never be a level playing field. If mistakes are being made innocently then sort them, however, even when it’s been brought to grit attention they fob you off. The have the TS teams to put on a performance at their own competition to show everyone their progress but again charged those athletes parents to get in to watch a couple of minutes routine which again they directly benefited from. I fully support a united team, and I understand their is differently loyalties and disagreements between programmes ie gold star and JCP, from my understanding why would these coaches take part in a unified Scottish board when one sits on the English board for cheer and that these teams mostly compete down south, so they don’t k ow Scottish cheer. I know their is coaches who applied for that job who were more suited to the job than the ones selected and I’m not being disrespectful either, and again it came down to other issues that those people didn’t get the job.

Team scotland is being used for gain and power. Anyone who has a different opinion god help us because I have emails to prove thy don’t take kindly to questioning them or the legality of their comps or Team Scotland. Give it up and start from scratch with a more diverse board who will follow through with the rules and see that they are being adhered too. It’s absolutely farcical and well done to the teams who rightly so didn’t allow their athletes to participate, it’s the right decision.
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85.255.233.186 | Tue 13th Aug 2019 - 14:26
 
Amen at post above . Well done you
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212.219.254.80 | Tue 13th Aug 2019 - 14:37
 
@post165 I can't speak to the truth of what you've posted,as I don't know the inner ins and outs of Team Scotland. but as far as I'm aware, CDC do not currently have their own gym so it's hardly fair to say the benefit from the use of the facilities. Do they not train in a community centre?
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176.253.112.104 | Tue 13th Aug 2019 - 14:48
 
@post165,

The fact your FACTS state that team Scotland was made up of 95% of cdc & rockstar is a clear indicator as to how wrong your FACTS are !

Cdc also don’t own a gym another one of your FACTS that are wrong

The board was voted on so yet another FACT you have wrong

Infact let’s cut it there because your FACTS are not FACTS at all.
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213.205.241.198 | Tue 13th Aug 2019 - 14:53
 
@post165,

Everything you have just said is enough to confirm you are seriously clueless
You need no further response to this terrible attempt at sabotage . Bye
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94.197.120.176 | Tue 13th Aug 2019 - 15:31
 
Correct me if I am wrong which I could be however despite being very talented has one of Lisa (president) kids not been made a reserve for past 3 years of TS. Seems like another incorrect “fact” that @post165 has claimed “presidents kids make the team every year “
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213.205.241.198 | Tue 13th Aug 2019 - 15:41
 
@post170, this is correct
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82.132.219.28 | Tue 13th Aug 2019 - 15:52
 
Both girls are minors so should be getting discussed on a forum like this
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176.253.112.104 | Tue 13th Aug 2019 - 16:00
 
Yeah your right admin should remove the post
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151.230.243.65 | Tue 13th Aug 2019 - 16:01
 
Thus does protest too much! Lisa’s army on the attack! The facts are there you may not agree, however, they have been asked for clarification on certain points and refuse to answer. Have they or haven’t they broken there own rules on recruiting athletes from other programmes? They bend the rules to suit themselves and other teams have better facilities that could be of more use to aid the participating athletes and again it comes down to finances. Team scotland should be ran independently away from any team and their management should not be made up consistently of those teams coaches. The whole process is flawed and I’m not the only person to think so! A few clicks online and if your smart enough you’ll find the same info I did.

At the end of the day, Team scotland was about unity and there is NO unity at all! It’s meant to be all inclusive it is NOT. Regardless of whether coaches personal issues are getting in the way of Claire and jade to be apart of this then your not practicing what your preaching. Without all teams following the rules set out originally and sticking to them scotland will
never be united. I’m sure there is someone up above looking down shaking his head because this was what he strived for and it’s being destroyed by greed, jealousy and power. Disgraceful, but carry on slaying me that cool, maybe they need to pull their big girl pants on and accept the criticism and fix it! Get Claire and jade on board and sort the differences and give the athletes of Scotland something to be proud to be apart of
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151.230.243.65 | Tue 13th Aug 2019 - 16:05
 
@post166 thank you! I knew I’d have an army attack me but facts are facts and rules are rules!
Hopefully we will be proud of our national squad when it’s all inclusive and fair
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151.230.243.65 | Tue 13th Aug 2019 - 16:15
 
@post169 I’m not trying to sabotage anything! If it was a fair process then we wouldn’t e having this conversation and the people are protesting well let’s guess where their loyalties lie. I’m not debating how good CDC are or how good the coaches are. That speaks for itself. However, ask yourself why teams aren’t allowing their athletes to participate and I can assure you no coach I know want to stop there athletes from reaching their full potential and represent their country, but don’t look through rose tinted glasses! Team Scotland should be independent from any team! Sabotage doesn’t help my child who would love to represent her country but she never will whilst we all sit and accept all that’s going on and never questions the legality or what’s morally right. You have your opinion and I have mine
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82.132.219.28 | Tue 13th Aug 2019 - 16:19
 
In this new independent team who would coach it? Coordinate ? Fundraise? You will need coaches from teams to be involved otherwise how will that work?
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85.255.235.229 | Tue 13th Aug 2019 - 17:12
 
Someone has seen who's running TS for what they really are , biggest thing is self gain . Lisa has taken kids from another programme to join hers which is wrong , she should be answering why she had a right to do that .
Also can someone clarify that the TS coaches got their flights paid for them last year ? Where money come from ?
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86.157.15.1 | Tue 13th Aug 2019 - 18:00
 
As a member of the SportCheer Scotland board but in no way affiliated with Champion Dance and Cheer or Rockstar, I would like to take this opportunity to respond to some of the comments above. This thread has been brought to our attention and as such I would to clarify some points. After this, any concerns should be directed to info@sportcheerscot.org.uk for SportCheer Scotland or nationalteam@sportcheerscot.org.uk for Team Scotland as we do not monitor this forum.

Board Positions
 
1.    We have 17 available seats on the SportCheer Scotland board. 8 Regional Directors, 4 Executive Directors, 1 Athlete Representative and 4 Officers. I can confirm 3 of our current board members are from Champion Dance and Cheer although 2 are currently up for re-election (Glasgow Regional Director and Executive Director). The following teams - as voted for by coaches across the country - make up the remaining seats The Marvels Cheerleaders, Electric Candy Cheerleaders, Academy Allstars, Infinity Allstars, Twist and Hit, Kilsyth Starlets, Rockstar, Silver Spirit Cheer and Dance, and Elevate. We currently have 5 vacancies on our board and welcome applications for Athlete Representative, North East Scotland Region, Lothian Region and 2 Executive Director positions. Information on how to get involved can be found on our website http://www.sportcheerscot.org.uk 
2.    All board members with voting rights submitted CVs however, I can confirm that the Secretary was approached as no one had applied for the position and we felt there would be extreme value in having someone that had studied law as part of our board. The secretary does not have any voting rights as per the statutes.
 
Code of Conduct/Benefitting from Position of Trust

1.    The code of conduct does clearly state that coaches, as does our statutes regarding board members, cannot financially benefit from their position and we can guarantee that is the case. In fact no one, has been paid to be associated with either SportCheer Scotland and/or Team Scotland, only travel expenses where given and the cost of the trip to Orlando covered. Endless hours of time for preparation/organisation and other expenses such as food and merchandise were not covered. I would go as far as saying, many of the volunteers are in fact out of pocket but understand this is an essential sacrifice at this stage.
2.    This year, the decision was taken for various reasons to locate all Team Scotland practices in a community centre that is run by a housing association therefore the housing association will be paid for venue hire – not an allstar team. Champion Dance and Cheer also utilise this venue for their practices however, they graciously allow SportCheer Scotland to utilise their 9 panel dead cheer floor, gymnastics training aids as well as 10 panel Marley floor free of charge. Again this is not Champion Dance and Cheer’s gym therefore they gain no financial benefit from Team Scotland training in the same facility.
3.    Team Scotland stipulate that all athletes must remain with their current program for the duration of the season and have in fact encouraged athletes to do so. There has been recent concern over athletes leaving teams at the end of the season to attend another allstar team therefore this has been brought to the National Team committee’s attention for discussion on how best to approach this. However, it may be worth noting that although SportCheer Scotland can encourage athletes to not change team and also implement a 1 year “waiting” time on trying out for Team Scotland after moving team, we are not in the position, to force programs to refuse participants. Until there is a comprehensive database of all athletes in the country as well as programs and event producers buying into SportCheer Scotland we can only suggest that teams work together on this issue.
 
Correspondence/Response Time
 
1.    SportCheer Scotland and its committees are made up completely of volunteers, many of those that spend countless hours on top of their full time jobs helping to build a federation to develop cheerleading in Scotland. It is our aspiration that one day, SportCheer Scotland can employ a multitude of staff to operate the federation however at this time we rely greatly upon the generosity and drive of our volunteers to progress the organisation. We therefore appreciate your patience when corresponding with us.
 
 
Make Up of Team Scotland/Coaches
 
1.    Firstly, I am sure that many allstar teams will be unhappy that their athletes have been dismissed as part of Team Scotland because last year 26 teams where represented across the 7 disciplines with only about one fifth in total being from both Champion Dance and Cheer and Rockstar. This year, 57 teams in total have representatives trying out and I can confirm only aprroximately 15% are from the aforementioned teams. If other teams chose not to send athletes for any reason that is their choice however we aim to showcase talent from all over Scotland, from the Highlands to the Borders.
2.    If you are unhappy with anything regarding the coaching of Team Scotland, we would encourage you to come forward through the appropriate channels. We learned a lot from our inaugural year and have implemented some strong changes that we hope will build on our success and improve the experience for everyone involved.
3.    Of all the coaches that applied for a role in 2019/2020 team, only 1 applicant wasn’t offered a position as a result of voting by SportCheer Scotland’s local authority representatives and 1 other declined a role for reasons which we respect although they would have been a great asset to the team.
 
ACDC Performance
 
1.    This showcase was to allow athletes the chance to perform on a stage and have a trial run of their routine. Parents were of course invited to watch this but this cannot be to the detriment of the event. Parents where offered a reduced rate however, many where already in attendance as their teams where competing. SportCheer Scotland are thankful that ACDC allow the athletes to showcase their routine in front of an audience as well as be judged by World class judges to seek feedback prior to ICU World Championships. However, SportCheer Scotland also welcome any other event producers that feel they can provide this chance in March/April time to get in touch to assess feasibility.
 
You ask for more diversity across our board, we are asking for the same. I’m sure one thing everyone in Scotland can agree on is that we want the best for our athletes, programs, coaches, volunteers and everyone else involved in the sport of cheerleading and the best way to do that is to see representation from across the country. We would love to see people from both World class competition teams to small community recreational teams and everything in between having a voice and being heard. This, however, is only possible when we work together and stop fighting amongst ourselves. SportCheer Scotland has been recognised by International Cheer Union and European Cheer Union as the governing body for cheerleading in Scotland and we will keep working towards recognition from sportscotland. If we cannot set personal situations aside and work together we are in danger of being left behind when cheerleading receives Olympic status. This is not about this program or that program, this is bigger than that. It’s all of us. It’s the future of our sport.
 
As always there is an open invitation to be involved in any way that is feasible for you and if you have been unlucky in securing a position the past, please do not let that put you off. Our board is currently recruiting and will be again next year for all positions and we welcome applications from everyone. We are currently developing a membership scheme and members will be eligible to vote on these board positions moving forward. The federation is for everyone in Scotland, so get involved and help shape the future of cheerleading.
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94.197.120.209 | Tue 13th Aug 2019 - 18:13
 
*mic drop*
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151.230.243.65 | Tue 13th Aug 2019 - 18:41
 
It seems I’ve ruffled a few feathers, but in order to change an organisation you need to ruffle feathers and I’ve done so that much I’ve had an email from the president of team Scotland to discuss my concerns and question the legality of my concerns. This should be interesting and hopefully get answers to my questions and hopefully she makes changes for the better of all team Scotland
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148.252.129.77 | Tue 13th Aug 2019 - 20:29
 
I hope you get some answers from the president at post above , great you have shown concerns, hope they answer you
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151.230.243.65 | Tue 13th Aug 2019 - 21:58
 
@182 unfortunately it seems I won’t! She would like me to disclose which team I am affiliated with, which I won’t do as the views shared are mine and mine alone and if ppl agree and share my concerns then it’s more than me who feels the same. The president will no longer reply to my emails without full disclosure and think my concerns aren’t validated. She even wanted a face to face meeting to show me around centre 81 and proceeded to name another team in those emails. I’ve never been one to back down from a battle and her emails have just pushed me to take things further and I will see that it’s investigated by the ICU, if that’s what it takes to get transparency then so be it
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86.152.189.224 | Tue 13th Aug 2019 - 22:10
 
@post183 so let me get this right, she’s offered to give up her time and show you around the facility as well as being open to answer all questions on the condition that you give a team affiliation (necessary given that there are children involved)?! What is your problem?! Like seriously, she’s trying to help why can’t you meet her half way and tell her what team you’re from?!?! Small ask. Scottish Athletics President wouldnt do any of that from an email query?! By all means, go to the ICU. I’m sure they’ll also tell you you’re being unreasonable
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176.253.112.104 | Tue 13th Aug 2019 - 22:33
 
You will find the ICU will also not respond to an anonymous email.
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82.132.218.230 | Tue 13th Aug 2019 - 22:35
 
She will threaten to get her (fake) lawyers onto you to scare you!
Will great power comes great responsibility so time to look out for the athletes and not your own self gain.
Only took 1 year for people to see through the corrupt Lisa & Ros
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176.253.112.104 | Tue 13th Aug 2019 - 22:43
 
@post186, nobody’s got a clue what your trying to say
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85.255.237.93 | Tue 13th Aug 2019 - 22:46
 
@post186 all for self gain you are so right . I hope everyone realising that now .
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213.205.241.71 | Tue 13th Aug 2019 - 22:50
 
, @post183,
If your so concerned and want to be heard why don’t you meet her then if that’s what she is saying ? I suspect because your a coach and don’t want to disclose who you are.
You can’t blame her for not taking you seriously when your hiding your identity . It’s very odd behaviour
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213.205.241.71 | Tue 13th Aug 2019 - 22:53
 
@post188, with the amount of athletes and teams auditioning it would seem there’s more faith in team Scotland than those without faith .
That number will grow each year as people will realise in their own time that no matter who you are you will be welcomed to help Sportcheer and team Scot if you wish to do so . Why not offer your help and then make your mind up πŸ‘πŸ»
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80.2.22.205 | Wed 14th Aug 2019 - 00:15
 
I don't be know if this is a stupid question, if this is all gearing up for when cheerleading is going to be part of the olympics, would it not be a team GB? if that's the case then team scotland is not going to get very far against the english athletes and coaches that would be involved if that's the case?
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81.108.135.45 | Wed 14th Aug 2019 - 03:09
 
This actual tit for tat arguments lawyers etc let people be honest true and transparent... teams affiliation is not the cause of concern but integrity, transparency if no one had anything to hide them it is all above aboard ..... but trust and believe people Scotland is not unified when team members have left from teams which blatantly showed at the 2019 world's regardless
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81.108.135.45 | Wed 14th Aug 2019 - 03:13
 
@post180 Mic was not dropped .... all was factually correct yes centre 81 is not a gym but it's CDC and rockstars base fact as I seen it myself picking up team Scotland merchandise
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81.108.135.45 | Wed 14th Aug 2019 - 03:22
 
184 what team you affiliated with cause you have a lot of opinions ?? I can guess
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kayemm (161) | Wed 14th Aug 2019 - 07:39
 
@post193 Rockstar train in Renfrew...
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213.205.241.71 | Wed 14th Aug 2019 - 07:55
 
Let’s call a spade a spade here this is clearly the electric candy mob greetin because one girl has left their team who was never originally from electric candy. Didn’t see her old coach cause all this drama when Nicola happily took her in at candy .
It’s embarrassing now give your heads a rest
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176.253.112.104 | Wed 14th Aug 2019 - 08:05
 
@post193, @post192, @post181, @post176, @post165, @post174, @post175, @post183,

Your all the same person this is getting weird now
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85.255.232.101 | Wed 14th Aug 2019 - 10:49
 
Why weird at post above ? It's just truth
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94.11.103.114 | Wed 14th Aug 2019 - 12:22
 
Emm.......I don’t need to see centre 81, I’ve been there and seen it, so definitely no need to go and meet her. As I stated previously, Lisa and her loyal army are going to hound all who think differently and don’t agree with them and I have stated to Lisa already, I am more than willing to keep communicating and has she answered the questions put to her then I’d have been happy with the explanation given. It’s far from tit for tat, please take your rose tinted glasses off and see what’s in front of you and it’s also clear from some posters above, that I’m not the only person who questions the legality of it all and for the record, look at how the hounds attack when they don’t know who you are and they wonder why people don’t speak out against them. Again, my views are my own and if people don’t like it then shoot me, I gather the ones who have jumped on their high horses are all affiliated with a certain team. Change the board, make it a fair representation of Scotland and limit the amount of people from one team who can participate, allow one member of each team a seat or position and for voting purposes, again only allow one person from each team to have a vote, not multiple from a team. Regarding, athletes who leave their programmes it’s been well documented this has been going on for years and certainly don’t make assumptions either. It appears that they don’t take criticism well and refuse to engage and she can send my email to her lawyers if she so wishes
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94.11.103.114 | Wed 14th Aug 2019 - 13:10
 
Playing devils advocate here what if the concerns the poster have some truth? Not saying that it’s πŸ’― accurate but this could have been settled by the sounds of it, open communication back up and answer the questions that have been asked. I agree and disagree with things that have been posted but understand someone questioning it. Shouldn’t be a battle or slagging anyone off though.
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148.252.128.242 | Wed 14th Aug 2019 - 13:27
 
If this is Nicola from electric candy , she has a right to feel the way she does , Lisa has no right to be taking athletes / dancers . She also should be coming out publicly and giving an explanation .
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92.40.248.219 | Wed 14th Aug 2019 - 13:31
 
god some of you need to get a life πŸ˜‚
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51.52.245.138 | Wed 14th Aug 2019 - 13:43
 
No wonder Gold star and JC want nothing to do with team Scotland so much drama. why would they want to be involved ?
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94.197.120.225 | Wed 14th Aug 2019 - 14:39
 
Anyone else from England just sitting with popcorn rn?! Scotland seems wild πŸ˜‚
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51.52.245.138 | Wed 14th Aug 2019 - 14:53
 
@post204 That's probs why Goldstar & jc compete down south lol
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213.205.241.113 | Wed 14th Aug 2019 - 22:57
 
They go on about the votes & it was coaches who voted the board on & bla bla bla but who counted the votes?? Was it an independent person not affiliated to any team in Scotland ?

Why was Roz not at the auditions if she’s so amazing she gets two coaching roles?
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94.11.103.114 | Thu 15th Aug 2019 - 08:37
 
@206 totally agree! They’ve stated above that all but one person who applied got a role and one declined. So, why did that other person not get one of the roles given to Rox, and I’d be interested to know why the other applied but rejected the job offer!! We can all speculate regarding it but they will never disclose it, they need to keep their friends close to have the majority
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92.40.249.37 | Thu 15th Aug 2019 - 08:43
 
@post207 well it’s not exactly something they’re going to publish on Facebook is it?!

@post206 why don’t you email the questions you have and let us know what they reply?
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185.69.144.221 | Thu 15th Aug 2019 - 09:12
 
That's so sad that only 1 that applied never got ? That person was used last year as they needed her then , agree Roz should never have been given 2 . Says it all . Self gain for Roz and Lisa , why people don't see this is beyond me . Coaches will find out about them in due time .
It's been said a hundred times before , if clued up atall coaches should realise that the top teams in Scotland will never get involved . If Goldstar and Jc coaches won't let their athletes try out , do you not wonder why ??????
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94.11.103.114 | Thu 15th Aug 2019 - 09:35
 
@208 I have emailed them and asked and you get accused of defamation! They are questions that should be answered regardless of whether she likes them or not, that’s the position she took on being the President of a nationals team. It’s more to the case that now people are beginning to question them. I’ve tried many different avenues to get answers and the answers they do give don’t make sense. They said an independent team will look at my concerns and I’d like to know who this team are and who selected them and still waiting on a reply. Ignorance seems to be bliss and obviously by continuing to ignore people’s concerns makes them look really unprofessional. They need to realise that people are wanting to support and national team but until it’s fair and properly regulated and rules followed their NEVER will be a unified team! You can’t call a team unified when all teams aren’t on board and id love to hear there views on why they didn’t get involved! I’m pretty sure they are smart and could see through all the bull! How bad is it that the coach who applied for that job and didn’t get the position, knows that they would rather give Roz two positions instead of offering her one and I feel bad for the other who declined also I’m sure that decision wasn’t taken lightly either
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188.29.164.27 | Thu 15th Aug 2019 - 09:35
 
I’m sorry but from what I am reading…SportCheer Scotland appear to be responding to your queries and as you say, Lisa has offered to meet you. She can’t seem to do right for doing wrong?

I appreciate that you have questions – there are always teething issues, however trolling on an anonymous forum isn’t going to get you any answers or make you a respectable source of information…in my opinion.
If coaches have concerns or better yet, suggestions on how to improve the system and progress cheerleading in Scotland rather than tearing it down, then I am sure they will approach the federation.

At the end of the day, there will be no progress if everyone bitches behind each other’s back and writes on an anonymous forum which is clearly read and responded to by athletes of all ages, parents and coaches – not exactly a good platform for the discussion, nor a very good example for young, impressionable athletes.

The volunteers in place for SportCheer Scotland and Team Scotland appear to be working hard – no system is perfect, but they are using the statutes provided by ICU to start this federation and move Scotland forward – not an easy task clearly if you read the posts above. They are also advertising board seats that are up for re-election, one of which is the Glasgow seat – plenty of coaches live within this region that I am sure have opinions and suggestions – step forward? The local area reps and board members currently in place cover area’s far and wide, across various teams throughout Scotland.

I agree, Scotland does look like a laughing stock on this post….it is very embarrassing. There are board seats available on the website – if coaches are interested in raising concerns or suggesting improvements, they should step forward.

Also, guess what!?....

There are more coaches and talented athletes in Scotland out with Goldstar, JC, CDC & Rockstar – why we keep discussing these four teams is beyond me! There are 50+ programmes trying out for Team Scotland? Everyone should get involved in same way or another to progress Cheerleading in Scotland.

Above all, SportCheer Scotland is not just about ‘Team Scotland’. It is so much bigger than that, but yes it will take time to get to where Scotland needs it to be….but that is life! Everyone tearing it down, slating it on an anonymous forum instead of channelling your concerns and subsequent suggestions in a positive way – I don’t know what you expect to achieve in this format?

Anyway, that’s just my opinion…
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213.205.241.50 | Thu 15th Aug 2019 - 09:35
 
Also quite embarrassing for the 1 person who didn’t get a role as now the full of this forum know that there was only one person rejected & doesn’t take a genius to work out who applied this year again but didn’t get offered a role. The board member should never have posted that information above in their “giving facts” rant
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188.29.165.96 | Thu 15th Aug 2019 - 10:31
 
@post212 If you read the above posts, the coach in question was already named far before the board member. Very unfortunate and uncomfortable but the board member was only responding to the accusation that many more qualified people hadn’t been offered the role, when in fact it was only one. Once again, they can’t do right for doing wrong. Don’t reply to accusations and you are being corrupt and sneaky, respond and clarify the facts and you’re being hurtful. Come on now, let’s all grow up.
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kayemm (161) | Thu 15th Aug 2019 - 10:42
 
This whole thread is getting ridiculous now. Concerns have been posted and addressed, the President has offered to meet to discuss them further, so really there should be no need for any further communication regarding this in the forum. Otherwise it will just continue to be a "he said she said" with no resolution.
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94.11.103.114 | Thu 15th Aug 2019 - 10:45
 
@211 no one is trolling anyone! I can assure you there has been emails and again questions were ignored! Teething problems? I could agree with that, however, if they do not address those teething problems and fix the problems that are quite clearly there, then they aren’t going to manage to make this work. I agree there are more coaches and teams out there who for whatever reasons have decided not to participate, and again that’s all spectulation. For the coach who wasn’t selected, it’s sad that info was put out there and it’s gotten to this point because emails were ignored and questions ignored and it took to posting on this forum to get there attention and it seems others are in agreement, I won’t apologies for starting a debate for answers and those who are jumping to there defence do so out of loyalty! If this is to work and be able move forward positively, they need to stop thinking that everyone is their enemy and that people want to believe and participate but there actions are making it difficult. Easily rectified in my opinion but seems they find it hard to put things into practice
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94.11.103.114 | Thu 15th Aug 2019 - 10:54
 
@214as the poster as already said is that it’s takenfor it to be posted on this forum for anyone to take notice! Nothing like a good hearty debate
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213.205.241.44 | Thu 15th Aug 2019 - 15:17
 
Why don’t we just forget about the whole Team Scotland thing and watch Team England Ireland and Wales become Team GB and Scotland can all stay at home with their rolls and sausage and cups of tea when the Olympics are on and support them and think we could have been part of that but we have embarrassed ourselves once again !
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94.11.103.114 | Thu 15th Aug 2019 - 15:57
 
Exactly, total embarrassment and laughing stock! All because they can’t seem to manage a team! Move over and let the professionals in
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176.253.112.104 | Thu 15th Aug 2019 - 16:09
 
The professionals🀣🀣🀣🀣🀣 back in your holes people back in your holes
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85.255.234.150 | Thu 15th Aug 2019 - 16:22
 
Honestly as far as I’m concerned there’s no need to bring kids/athletes into this, mentioning Lisa’s kids or a specific athlete from Electric Candy when they’re not part of this.
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195.89.72.16 | Thu 15th Aug 2019 - 18:29
 
The fact is Lisa is the president so she was always going to take the bullet for it all as she’s the decision maker supposedly! It’s others whose loyalty are to Lisa that are throwing names and teams about! People will make their own assumptions in the accusations, I think had the questions been addressed privately then it wouldn’t have become this free for all and tit for tat rubbish
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94.11.103.114 | Fri 16th Aug 2019 - 08:51
 
I’m not 100% clued up in the ins and outs of team scotland and was under the impression all teams in Scotland were involved! Is this not the case? Asking because my daughter will be old enough next year to audition and by the responses above don’t know if it’s such a good thing. Hope it all gets resolved so all parties are satisfied
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kayemm (161) | Fri 16th Aug 2019 - 09:30
 
@post222 the girls I know who have been on Team Scotland, in both recent or past years, have had an incredible experience and made friends for life across Scotland. I wouldn't let what's in this thread put you off letting your daughter try out.
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151.227.218.228 | Fri 16th Aug 2019 - 09:37
 
@post223 I know lots of girls that have been part of Tram Scotland and learned a lot, made friends for life and loved every minute. These comments are sour grapes from people with no clue. Let your girl try out if she got a place I’m sure she would love it like so many hundreds of girls have over the years from Scotland.
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94.11.103.114 | Fri 16th Aug 2019 - 10:02
 
@224 I’m newish to cheer, my only concern is what is actually going on with it all? I’m sure mistakes have been made and I’m not sure it’s sour grapes but it seems the views that have been posted some agree with!sounds like an amazing opportunity though, hope they manage to pull everyone together and keep communicating with each other to make it better for everyone concerned 😊
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94.11.103.114 | Fri 16th Aug 2019 - 12:50
 
I’ve literally sat mouth wide reading this thread🀦🏼‍♀️ Ok people have opinions and others might not agree it their has gotten to be something that triggered those concerns. Certainly don’t agree with kids and other teams being mentioned to drag them through the mud. Some of the defending of team Scotland and cdc is justified if your an athlete or parent but don’t be so one way with your views, can I maybe suggest that the board have a meeting to discuss the concerns made
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85.255.234.204 | Fri 16th Aug 2019 - 21:57
 
I agree I feel
A meeting should be held and invite all coaches
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2.223.172.153 | Fri 16th Aug 2019 - 22:36
 
@post227 agreed but the problem with these meetings is that they never actually invite everyone. There was a few not invited to the original meeting in Stirling that started off the whole Sportcheer Scotland thing.
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213.205.241.100 | Fri 16th Aug 2019 - 22:54
 
Oh my god, I am actually lost for words. I don’t know what’s worse that this all sounds like grown adults how embarrassing for them and for Scotland, as a few posts above said England and Wales sitting with popcorn laughing at us all and no wonder.

To the person moaning about not gaining information/answers because you wish to remain anonymous. What do you expect? If you email a company to complain you provide all your information so why would this be any different? Especially might I add that this involves children so there is child protection law and rules and data disclosure laws etc so before they disclose anything to you of course they would need to know that you are involved or your child was involved before giving any information to a random person? You must be completely insane to think otherwise. It’s common sense. She responded to you and in my opinion was giving you two reasonable ways to discuss your options you listed two methods she offered and you offered none so can see why your not gaining any sympathy on here.

But oh my word, if this is what cheerleading in Scotland is like I wouldn’t want my children to be apart of it, and I don’t mean Team Scotland I mean cheer in general. forget dance moms. Cheer moms (the Scottish edition) would be an award winning reality show. Completely ridiculous and it’s a shame as no offence to the previous unified Team Scotland years ago but the current Team Scotland are doing far better than what we did years ago.

The poaching carry on, you can say that about any of the teams mentioned above, Goldstar poached ACG athletes after camps with them, same with sirens, JCP poached marvels, electric candy poached Goldstar athletes........ it goes on and on and on you can say that about any team but until you know exactly what the set of circumstances are, athletes family moved area and that was close for them to travel to there can be numbers of different reasons as to why athletes changed teams but it’s not my business why Maggie Ann down the road left my team to join that team.

I just don’t understand this mentality to destroy, if I didn’t get something handed to me on a plate, I took a step back looked at the bigger picture and worked hard to get there and to achieve what I wanted to achieve. Not making the team and crying on here about it because your daughter didn’t make the team or your a coach who didn’t make the coaching panel. Set an example for impressionable young girls and teach them to work harder to gain what they want. Prove to them through your determination it’s possible rather than destruction.

God give us strength, Scottish cheer needs it desperately
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148.252.129.30 | Sat 17th Aug 2019 - 00:36
 
A meeting and all Scottish coaches should attend. If they don't attend then shows how uninterested they are in the future of our country . Coaches get your differences sorted
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151.231.236.57 | Sat 17th Aug 2019 - 07:15
 
This is about our Team Scotland Teams that the president is promoting unity but accepting athletes from teams that attend the ‘united’ Team Scotland. Anyone with a brain cell can see this is morally wrong. There should be some sort of rule about this like there is in other sports.
But again she should be coming up with this and setting her own business aside.
And as for responding and holding meetings, it’s all part & parcel of the job. People will ask questions. She needs to respond professionally.
And this is a forum where discussions are allowed
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94.11.103.114 | Sat 17th Aug 2019 - 08:03
 
@232 totally agree! There is no united scotland! Just a team deciding the running of it and running it side by side with her own squad. Team scotland is cdc and cdc is team Scotland with a couple of athletes here or there. Don’t think they got the turn out they expected last week at auditions! Less than what applied showed up or pulled out speaks volumes
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85.255.234.164 | Sat 17th Aug 2019 - 08:52
 
Definately not united Scotland until the president calls a meeting for everyone to attend to sort out once and for all . As above post said at the moment it's the presidents athletes with few others that suck right up her . I've seen it all . Someone needs step in now or Scotland will most definately be left behind in progression
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5.68.38.188 | Sat 17th Aug 2019 - 09:04
 
@post229 when an athlete decides to move to another team, that does in no way mean that the programme has poached them. This is ultimately a decision made by athletes, not by coaches. You don't know any about athletes in different situations.
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94.11.103.114 | Sat 17th Aug 2019 - 09:20
 
@233 agreed! A meeting does need to take place to address everything. I think they don’t give parents, athletes or coaches any credit for not being stupid and being able to work things out for themselves. Being ignorant seems to suit them well, they have only one way of thinking and if your not on that same thought process they don’t like it. They know people all over Scotland can see the injustice of it all but yet continue to bury their heads in the sand. They have created the problems from the beginning and run everything how they see fit, they’re benefiting from it all and she knows it. I’ll be keeping my money firmly in my pocket until it’s fair and the selection process is equal. No ifs or buts Team Scotland should be independently run so
no one person benefits and rules in place stating that if your selected to represent your country you must stay with your own programme for at least 6 months and that way programmes and athletes are all following the same rules and be on the same page with it all. If that means contracts to be signed stating it to protect programmes then so be it. No one team is bigger than any others in Scotland they all have seasons that are brilliant ones not so good, promote team work, promote self worth, it’s more than a medal for some athletes and families. Think of all those athletes who are amazing and can’t afford to audition or go to Florida, you want a unified and all inclusive team but it’s clearly not.
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148.252.129.88 | Sat 17th Aug 2019 - 09:34
 
At post above I couldn't have said better . There must be so many coaches , athletes and parents that must feel the same
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86.139.128.124 | Sat 17th Aug 2019 - 09:50
 
Do you guys not know that there was a meeting with all coaches lol ? And then Jc Brisbane and gold star tried to hold a meeting without inviting anyone else ? .. just shows how clueless the people are on this forum you have no idea!
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94.11.103.114 | Sat 17th Aug 2019 - 10:44
 
@237 I was aware of this fact thanks πŸ˜† but again we can begin to speculate why they felt the need to do so!! As said previously ALL difference need to put aside as well as egos! The fact is people can’t put their big egos aside and do what’s best for Scottish cheerleading! If they weren’t the boss sitting at the top of the table it caused problems. I’d be the bigger person and reach out these teams again and come together and have a discussion again, we can all assume the reasons why TS won’t change the set up and I have my theories on why they don’t. It also comes down to other factors, the way it’s set up just now benefits Lisa and her cdc and Rockstar colleagues and by having the majority of the board from the same team makes it near impossible to make change within the board because they have the overwhelming majority. They also say it’s voluntary, I thought this meant you did kings without getting anything in return, that’s not the case. All the auditions money, class fees, etc etc pays for Jose coaches to go to America, whether it be accommodation or flights. So, I ask parents who allow their children to audition are you happy to buy raffles, lucky squares, attend race nights and bonus balls knowing that it help pay for the coaches to get their but you have to get your athlete and yourself there? That money raised from all of the above should go to the athletes. Don’t claim your doing in voluntary when your gaining from it!
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86.8.201.165 | Sat 17th Aug 2019 - 14:08
 
if team scotland fundraising does pay for the coaches to go over there, it's maybe a bit it picky but if your also over there with your own team your not then having to payflights at all and they will be training with their own team during the time as well, makes your own worlds a lot cheaper.
I don't know if this is the case but if i had been fundraising to help coaches go for team scotland (which is think is fair enough) thats fine but i would not want to be fundraising for them to be spending time with their own team.
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94.11.103.114 | Sat 17th Aug 2019 - 14:38
 
@239 yeah exactly! The thing is they say it’s voluntary but you are receiving a token payment for your travelling and accommodation, that’s not voluntary! The ICU is first then it’s the ISAF so fair point they’ve had there travel paid for team Scotland and now team Scotland d have paid for you to be their with your own team! I know it’s expensive enough without having to raise money for fundraising to pay for coaches to go! Again continually benefiting from the positions they hold
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148.252.129.64 | Sat 17th Aug 2019 - 14:42
 
ALL SELF GAIN ! they can't pretend anymore
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85.255.232.254 | Sat 17th Aug 2019 - 14:57
 
So you want them to have their expenses paid on the condition they don’t attend worlds the next day? As well as a ANOTHER meeting, as well as the coaches not involved to be ‘reached out to’? WOW you don’t ask for much LOL. Imagine asking any other voluntary organisation these things. I’m genuinely gobsmacked. I’ve worked for charities all my working life and this genuinely makes me laugh.
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86.8.201.165 | Sat 17th Aug 2019 - 14:58
 
if that was the case and your own team went then travel would only be any extra on the flights if they cost more than the dates your own team are going. accommodation paid only if your not coaching a team over there, if you are when they are out it's only subsidised amount and certainly does not extend the entire length of your stay. as soon as icu was over your paid your own expenses
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86.8.201.165 | Sat 17th Aug 2019 - 15:04
 
@posts242 if one of these charities you worked for sent you on a trip to do work then i think they would be miffed if they found out you had used that time/resources on your own business or job. i would personally say team scotland would pay half on flights for example but it's in the rules they have you can not gain from this
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94.11.103.114 | Sat 17th Aug 2019 - 16:06
 
Charities are laughable too! They hire and pay ridiculous amounts to so called celebrities to make ppl aware of there cause! Hence why I don’t give to charity I find someone on the streets and buy them food and a drink that way I k ow the money is going where it’s meant too!! The whole point is doing say your doing things voluntarily and accept payment whether it’s flights etc that’s personal gain! Voluntary means doing something without payment and to help people. Mistakes have been made from the beginning of Team scotland and if you look on their website and click on the voluntary jobs etc it tells you how much each person gets towards travel etc all the information I’ve found has been at a click of a button. Calculate what they offer people and times it and you’ll see it’s a lot of money. Spend that money on getting those athletes there and help bring the costs down for the successful athletes willing to fundraise for Gemayel Es to get there and those athletes don’t get a penny! Lisa doesn’t coach so does she get her flights paid for to attend to give out a trophy? They should be looking for sponsorship to help pay for costumes and training gear etc
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23.236.96.147 | Sat 17th Aug 2019 - 16:55
 
Surely they would know and be aware they can't use for personal gain, i mean like didn't the treasurer already have a run in with lawyers when she was caught trying to sell equipment bought by lottery funding to pay her own bills a few years back.
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94.11.103.114 | Sat 17th Aug 2019 - 17:33
 
@246 🀣 wouldn’t surprise me! They do know the rules but they follow whichever buys suits them at the time and turn the blind eye to everything else! That seems to be how they function
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109.181.89.181 | Sat 17th Aug 2019 - 19:14
 
Having read all comments I can’t understand why all Scottish teams can’t come together!
In doing so creating an amazing elite team of athletes,instead people are choosing to criticise those willing to stand up & be counted.
Teams such as JC & gold star would bring a lot to team Scotland however as both teams don’t seem to be involved then why knock CDC.
Having been to comps in Scotland & England CDC without question have amazing coaching staff with a wealth of experience & success.In my opinion I would be delighted for my child when old enough to compete as part of a national team.This is definitely something for children to be proud of...why any coach would stop a child participating is beyond me!!!!
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23.236.96.147 | Sat 17th Aug 2019 - 19:50
 
because some teams do not need to fall into line and work under a shady system for their athletes to be successful so choice not to be involved.
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94.11.103.114 | Sat 17th Aug 2019 - 20:40
 
It’s the CDC and Rockstar machine now, if it was fair people would be jumping at the chance to compete but it is NOT! Teams also don’t want to lose athletes to CDC coaches from getting in there ears! What coaches would want to send their athletes knowing what’s going to happen! I salute them for not sending them! TS could be amazing
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176.253.112.104 | Sat 17th Aug 2019 - 21:02
 
Omg your all embarrassing ..broken records .. violins out 🎻
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23.236.96.147 | Sat 17th Aug 2019 - 21:18
 
it's true though isn't it it, look at the starting line up for cheer then look at the kids that actually went, many pulled out along the year and kids had to be pulled in that hadn't originally got in to fill the places. if this was a national football team and the biggest pool of talent (let's not deny it the only two teams that compete at this level are goldstar and jc so therefore the majority of the best athletes in the country are going to be there for cheer anyways) you would be asking why arnt we putting our best foot forward. this will only happen once there is a fair and unbiased system in place and no one can blame these teams for staying clear of this until there is a better system. i applaud every kid that goes for this but it's a national team, it's just about giving these kids the experience it's about doing our best and not being a laughing stock when we step out of the mat because the kids arnt anywhere near ready for this level of competition
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86.183.13.180 | Sun 18th Aug 2019 - 00:07
 
Coaches are paid by weekly class fees not fundraised money. This is instead of being paid.
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Sat 17th Aug 2019, 21:18
it's true though isn't it it, look at the starting line up for cheer then look at the kids that actually went, many pulled out along the year and kids had to be pulled in that hadn't originally got in to fill the places. if this was a national football team and the biggest pool of talent (let's not deny it the only two teams that compete at this level are goldstar and jc so therefore the majority of the best athletes in the country are going to be there for cheer anyways) you would be asking why arnt we putting our best foot forward. this will only happen once there is a fair and unbiased system in place and no one can blame these teams for staying clear of this until there is a better system. i applaud every kid that goes for this but it's a national team, it's just about giving these kids the experience it's about doing our best and not being a laughing stock when we step out of the mat because the kids arnt anywhere near ready for this level of competition
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Sat 17th Aug 2019, 21:02
Omg your all embarrassing ..broken records .. violins out 🎻
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Sat 17th Aug 2019, 20:40
It’s the CDC and Rockstar machine now, if it was fair people would be jumping at the chance to compete but it is NOT! Teams also don’t want to lose athletes to CDC coaches from getting in there ears! What coaches would want to send their athletes knowing what’s going to happen! I salute them for not sending them! TS could be amazing
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Sat 17th Aug 2019, 19:50
because some teams do not need to fall into line and work under a shady system for their athletes to be successful so choice not to be involved.
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