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Team Scotland Coaches
Thursday 12th of September 2019, 07:04
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80.2.21.110 | Mon 22nd Jul 2019 - 19:22
 
As the new coaches for this year is being revealed, what do we think?
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213.205.241.111 | Mon 22nd Jul 2019 - 19:34
 
So far so good πŸ‘πŸ»
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81.103.27.53 | Mon 22nd Jul 2019 - 21:17
 
Where has it been announced
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79.66.10.251 | Mon 22nd Jul 2019 - 21:28
 
Facebook and Instagram
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85.255.236.52 | Mon 22nd Jul 2019 - 21:36
 
Roz hart will be good for Team Scotland as she has experiance but eilidh hamilton just an athlete on cdc and they just compete level 2 ?
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176.253.112.104 | Mon 22nd Jul 2019 - 21:54
 
Roz is undoubtedly amazing . Eilidh may not be as well known but she’s very very good at what she does she’s got a very strong knowledge of the cheer world . We had the pleasure of working with her and I think she will surprise a lot of people . It’s good to see young fresh talent involved
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213.205.241.111 | Mon 22nd Jul 2019 - 22:02
 
Let’s be honest anyone was going to be better than last years coaches . Fingers crossed the senior 5 coaches are a step up also
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31.53.84.240 | Mon 22nd Jul 2019 - 22:51
 
Kind of agree, nice to see someone new for a change even if she’s got a bit less experience
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94.2.160.55 | Mon 22nd Jul 2019 - 23:10
 
Fingers crossed some new more l5 kids tryout this season ...
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86.8.200.98 | Tue 23rd Jul 2019 - 01:07
 
yeah, i can see them pushing the girls to improve, still a long way to go but at least it seems this year the kids will be given a decent chance with a decent coach. looking forward to seeing who will be doing the senior routines
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109.158.33.210 | Tue 23rd Jul 2019 - 08:52
 
Eilidhs been to worlds 5 times including on a level 5 team. That’s pretty experienced.
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213.205.241.244 | Tue 23rd Jul 2019 - 09:04
 
Where was the vote? Roz said thanks to everybody who voted for her. I didn’t know of a vote.
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85.255.232.2 | Tue 23rd Jul 2019 - 09:54
 
I would like to know that to at post above , never saw any voting posted ?
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kayemm (165) | Tue 23rd Jul 2019 - 10:11
 
Is it not the coaches who are members of Sportcheer Scotland that vote? Or maybe the board?
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109.158.33.210 | Tue 23rd Jul 2019 - 12:43
 
Board members of Sport Cheer Scotland voted
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213.205.241.244 | Tue 23rd Jul 2019 - 13:06
 
The board that is filled with cdc, rockstar & Roz & Eilidhs pals then? I’m so glad it was fair.
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213.205.241.244 | Tue 23rd Jul 2019 - 13:14
 
Not starting just saying it doesn’t look very fair. They fight for all this everyone included but do stuff like this
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94.197.121.65 | Tue 23rd Jul 2019 - 13:15
 
Actually it was local reps of which there are about 30
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94.197.121.65 | Tue 23rd Jul 2019 - 13:25
 
If you actually spoke to them instead of jumping to conclusions maybe it’d be a nicer situation. I messaged one of the board and asked and got a reply in about 30 seconds
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213.205.241.244 | Tue 23rd Jul 2019 - 13:28
 
That’s much better then if there is about 30. The board is ran by Roz best friend and business partner it’s hardly jumping to conclusions. I was simply asking a question
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94.197.121.65 | Tue 23rd Jul 2019 - 13:51
 
But you didn’t ask the question, you made the assumption and went straight into accusatory language.
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213.205.241.163 | Tue 23rd Jul 2019 - 14:20
 
Think you will find I did. “Where was the vote?” is a question. I’ve already said that’s better than how it looks that there was 30 people voting. Maybe they should voice this stop people guessing & assuming. I’m not getting into an argument with you. People are allowed an opinion
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109.158.33.210 | Tue 23rd Jul 2019 - 14:20
 
If you applied for a position you also couldn’t vote - so there’s no way it could even be considered biased. 25 ish people voted. Think there’s a very few amount who are CDC that didn’t apply to coach. Therefor there is no way it can be taken away from the fact she was voted in..
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79.66.10.251 | Tue 23rd Jul 2019 - 17:20
 
Accepting that gold star and JCP chose not to apply I don't think their are better people for the job really not sure how that is coming across as biased
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85.255.237.174 | Tue 23rd Jul 2019 - 18:42
 
Goldstar and Jc coaches are being stubborn , it's ridiculous they not helping out
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213.205.241.168 | Tue 23rd Jul 2019 - 19:06
 
It’s the poor gold star and JC kids not getting to do it, that’s such a shame, but then maybe they will be this year try outs not been yet ?
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80.2.22.203 | Tue 23rd Jul 2019 - 19:13
 
i think you will find there's a fair few more than just jc and goldstar not wanting their kids involved. you can't blame these coaches for not thinking it's a good move for their kids. i'm all for having a unified team but it was set up very one sided within the factions of the different scottish teams. imho it's only unified at the moment if you agree with certain teams and no real inclusion of scotland as a whole
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86.139.133.174 | Tue 23rd Jul 2019 - 19:24
 
BORING are people still going on about this πŸ˜‚
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80.2.20.43 | Tue 23rd Jul 2019 - 19:28
 
that's the problem, your not allowed to speak up or voice your opinion if it's not in favour of team scotland and how it was set up. very much a clique where your with us if you agree with our views only. scotland will get there in the end but it's going to be a very long road i think
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79.66.10.251 | Tue 23rd Jul 2019 - 19:45
 
@post27 and @post29 I really disagree the application was open to anyone to apply to coach I think if some of the teams who don't feel like it is the right thing to be part of it had applied they would have got the jobs hands down no questions asked. The athletes on the team would then be chosen by them, coached by them and compete a routine choreographed by them.

If they truly believe the coaches chosen aren't up to the job so much so it is not safe for their kids to be involved then they have the opportunity to be the person leading all the classes

The sportcheer Scotland people have been vocal on here that everyone is welcome to be part of it, the application process welcomes anyone and was plastered all over social media... Im not sure how it could be more inclusive?
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213.205.241.163 | Tue 23rd Jul 2019 - 20:22
 
@post30 they don’t have the opportunity to run the classes though. You apply to a board that is very much one sided against other coaches from the teams that people on the board run!

4 coaches announced so far 3 are from CDC. The president of sport cheer Scotland runs cdc. The only one now a coach at cdc is the person who runs CDC’s bestie & business partner.

You need to agree it doesn’t look the best
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213.205.241.163 | Tue 23rd Jul 2019 - 20:23
 
Not* a coach at CDC that should say
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176.253.112.104 | Tue 23rd Jul 2019 - 20:43
 
It’s also highly likely it’s mostly people from the likes of cdc applying and winning because they are heavily qualified . If you look at the list of local authority reps there’s 20 different programmes represented and all get a vote , they are from wide and far Scotland and are all clearly making good choices for Scotland .
CDC are a phenomenal programme and if it is a lot of there coaching staff then good we will be well represented at ICU. You all moan when they are not qualified enough and now they are qualified we are still moaning ?
If others that are equally as qualified don’t come forward then it’s tough titty.

And if you all really don’t like it don’t be part of it , don’t comment and drag attention to it you just look bitter .
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213.205.241.98 | Tue 23rd Jul 2019 - 20:56
 
Theres a list of the local authority on Facebook somewhere
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213.205.241.98 | Tue 23rd Jul 2019 - 21:10
 
Kirsten Ritchie - Aberdeen council

Leeanne Wrench -Argyll and Bute Council

Karen Martin -Clackmannanshire Council

Kayleigh Nicolson -Comhairle nan Eilean Siar (Western Isles Council)

Hannah Clark -Dundee City Council

Tammy Harkins -East Ayrshire Council

Stacy Greer- East Dunbartonshire Council

Vicky Laird -East Lothian Council Lothian

Jacqui McGory -East Renfrewshire Council

Ross Barron -Edinburgh City Council

Maddie Jamieson -Falkirk Council

Katie Black -Fife Council

Jennifer Greer -Glasgow City Council

Diane Macaskill -Highland Council

Ann Marie Campbell -Inverclyde Council

Louise McClure -Midlothian Council

Moray Council Highlands and Islands

Leanne Caird -South Ayrshire Council

Jennifer Boyle - North Lanarkshire Council

Emma Davies -Perth & Kinross Council

Sarah McNeill- Renfrewshire council

Nicola Hamilton- South Lanarkshire Council

Lisa Tausney - West Dunbartonshire Council
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85.255.233.206 | Tue 23rd Jul 2019 - 21:25
 
And majority above all friends of Lisa and Roz
, just so sad that the 3 Of the best cheer teams in Scotland
Goldstar ,jc and cosmic flames are not getting involved because of the fall out
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31.53.84.240 | Tue 23rd Jul 2019 - 21:29
 
So are they not allowed to have friends?! Honestly I don’t know how we can keep going in circles. We all with those programs would get involved. They don’t want to. They didn’t apply. So let’s all move on and do the best with what we’ve got please
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31.53.84.240 | Tue 23rd Jul 2019 - 21:41
 
We all wish that should have read, sorry
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176.253.112.104 | Tue 23rd Jul 2019 - 21:56
 
Most coaches are friends are they not ? Yeah there’s coaches out there who don’t see eye to eye but it’s rare now you go to a comp and don’t see most coaches chatting away and getting on.

Your clearly one of the few people who don’t get on with everyone above . Sad for you
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89.242.186.176 | Tue 23rd Jul 2019 - 22:42
 
Everyone needs to get over the fact that Jc and GS will not be part of it, it’s their choice. What everyone else needs to do now is get behind the teams going in 2020 and support your country if you can’t support the athletes on the teams.. I have faith in the coaches announced.
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185.69.145.89 | Wed 24th Jul 2019 - 09:12
 
Just saying...... pretty sure Eilidh used ro be at JC
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85.255.233.92 | Wed 24th Jul 2019 - 11:48
 
Ye she did and I think she has cousins that go there
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85.255.233.229 | Wed 24th Jul 2019 - 12:29
 
Yes she was with Jc for years , best friend with their coach
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85.255.234.232 | Wed 24th Jul 2019 - 13:36
 
I wish them all well. Good to see a scotland bringing the sport to the spotlight
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188.29.164.234 | Wed 24th Jul 2019 - 16:18
 
Those coaches won’t make a difference.
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85.255.236.169 | Wed 24th Jul 2019 - 17:29
 
Coaches need athletes at that level for it to be successful I hope they get level 4 athletes audition
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82.43.90.99 | Wed 24th Jul 2019 - 17:34
 
Unless Jc and gs try out then I doubt there will
Be many at level
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176.254.131.4 | Wed 24th Jul 2019 - 18:20
 
Oh please shut up about JC and GS! Theres plenty of talented kids all over Scotland! Just because they may not compete at that level doesn't mean they dont have the skills for it!
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185.69.145.220 | Wed 24th Jul 2019 - 18:36
 
Oh my
What about senior pom coaches and Adaptive abilities Pom ??? This is a joke
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85.255.233.157 | Wed 24th Jul 2019 - 18:40
 
I think all the coaches are great. Can’t say anything about Senior Pom when black were so successful this year alongside team Scotland. Adaptive both seem positive and excited maybe less experienced but doesn’t mean they won’t be passionate.
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176.253.112.104 | Wed 24th Jul 2019 - 18:44
 
Senior Pom? Stacy Greer has coached that team for 2 seasons and been extremely successful along with her own programmes teams nobody can question that girls ability she’s up there with the best of the best !
Nicole has always coached the junior team and has always done an outstanding job I’m sure working on senior will be no different ? She’s also amongst the best Scotland have to offer !


Adaptive abilities it’s the very first year of it nobody has the right to comment on amy and Leanne until you see what they produce .. honestly how bloody boring is this all getting . Get over it
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85.255.234.139 | Wed 24th Jul 2019 - 18:53
 
All just cdc lovers ha
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213.205.241.98 | Wed 24th Jul 2019 - 19:01
 
You all want the best people for the job as you keep repeating?
You cannot not argue that having CDC coaches is a bad thing 🀣🀣🀣 they are world class in every division they enter and that’s down to their coaching staff so we are god damn lucky they are coaching our national teams
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82.43.90.99 | Wed 24th Jul 2019 - 19:32
 
How can you compare Stacey and Nicole to Claire, Joanne and Jade.
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185.69.145.184 | Wed 24th Jul 2019 - 19:36
 
They don't want involved so shut up and let us get on with what and who we have !
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176.253.112.104 | Wed 24th Jul 2019 - 19:37
 
Well for one Stacy’s team went against jade and Joanne at worlds and won and I’m sure that’s not the only time .
I’m not saying Claire wouldn’t also be amazing at the job of course she would but she’s not in the mix ?having said that Stacy and Nicole are not any less capable than Claire .

Claire may have more experience through her age but jade Infact has less experience she’s the same age as Stacy and Nicole and has less worlds experiences under her belt ?

Joanne - please don’t make everyone laugh god lord βœ‹
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213.205.241.98 | Wed 24th Jul 2019 - 19:39
 
The only 2 team Scotland teams to go out without a cdc coach involved or a coach of cdc level last year where the worst two teams team Scotland produced . So until more coaches of cdc standard come forward then they are they best people for the job. It’s a shame people are still trying so desperately hard to boycott it
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82.29.6.35 | Wed 24th Jul 2019 - 20:03
 
@54 Stacy coached black who competed against & placed higher than jade/joanne’s worlds team this year? When the teams used to compete against each other I’m pretty sure CDC junior Pom team that Nicole taught was always placing higher than theirs?! Clearly you would rather they coach the national teams & your entitled to your opinion however if these coaches don’t go forward & apply for the job like the rest then who else are you suggesting is better for the role? It’s not as if these coaches want to step up and take the role on and never got it , they are clearly not interested so why are you so bothered when the coaches your trying to involve aren’t!
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82.132.218.185 | Wed 24th Jul 2019 - 20:13
 
This thread makes no sense. Many people saying it’s only CDC coaches coaching teams for team Scotland. Then 2 coaches from completely different teams get given an amazing opportunity of coaching the first adaptive abilities Pom team and they get shot down on this. Do any of you have any idea of what that can do to people’s confidence? Team Scotland and sportcheer Scotland are suppose to bring people together. Why can we support the teams that will be representing our country and to be honest if you can’t then try and keep your opinions to yourself! If you think these coaches from other teams could do a better job then so be it but they haven’t applied and unfortunately the way that the board for sportcheer Scotland have chosen to select coaches is the fairest way regardless of what some people may think. How would it look if the board picked an allstar team? Would they be favouring that team? Therefore whatever way it’s looked at people will always have opinions.

On another note I wish all the coaching staff the best of luck for this season and can not wait to see what you all produce to take to ICU 2020 πŸ’™ xxx
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213.205.241.39 | Wed 24th Jul 2019 - 20:23
 
Leanne Wrench is just a cdc & maddie jamieson arse licker
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90.203.21.131 | Wed 24th Jul 2019 - 20:32
 
@post57.....if you are talking about the cheer teams....anyone with any sense knows it is far more difficult to coach a cheer team with lower level athletes and trying to coach them up to level 4/5 in a short space of time. ALL the dance teams had high skilled athletes from strong dance teams/experience. The dance coaches would admit themselves that DANCE is easier to coach than CHEER. Junior cheer put out a strong performance with NO stunt bobbles/falls and good technique....was it all level 4?? -NO!! but when you have a team full of level 1 and 2 athletes what are they supposed to do?? Senior cheer had an even harder job as they had to go to an even higher level.......with same level kids...was it perfect ?? - NO!! but again what are they supposed to do?? So rather than comparing CHEER to DANCE......or level 1 -5.....take on board all the factors it takes to make a strong CHEER routine........coaches can be GREAT......i've seen so many GREAT coaches out there but sometimes its not enough....so rather than making it that they were awful (which they were not!!)....take a step back and take everything into consideration......good luck all TS coaches i hope one day i can read this forum and not see Scotland implode with this awful trolling that makes me cringe!!
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80.2.21.171 | Wed 24th Jul 2019 - 20:34
 
you can say it's inclusive of everyone but clearly it's not, it's made is certain teams favour and that's just fact. it does not matter how many times it's said, it does not make it true. hopefully one day we can have a true representation of scotland and the talent but until their is an unbiased and highly stacked in certain teams favour system this won't happen and you can't blame teams for avoiding it. people have a voice and opinion on this because it affects our kids and u til their is a truly fair system this is going to be the view of a lot of people. the nation is clearly divided, instead of just expecting us to like it or lump it how about actually trying to make positive changes to scotland has a proper chance to shine on stage.
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82.28.179.174 | Wed 24th Jul 2019 - 20:37
 
What positive changes do you suggest?
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92.40.249.240 | Wed 24th Jul 2019 - 20:47
 
@post62 what would you suggest??? Should they be personally inviting certain coaches to apply/coach? Surely that’d be even more biased?
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176.254.222.217 | Wed 24th Jul 2019 - 20:48
 
I don’t think there is a more fair way than opening coaching positions and holding open auditions...
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213.205.241.126 | Wed 24th Jul 2019 - 20:51
 
Why doesn’t one of the few coaches who are against it try getting and involved and just see what happens .. either as coaching staff or a board member or something ? Then make your mind up ?

My guess is you don’t want to incase you eat your words - which you will as you will be welcomed .

One day more than likely closer to the commonwealth you will want to be a part of it and you will eventually see you will have a place .
Until then my suggestion is nobody bites back to this ridiculous round and circles debate anymore , the people who are involved the kids coaches and parents who are allowed to experience it all know what it’s about and that’s all that matter
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82.28.179.174 | Wed 24th Jul 2019 - 21:00
 
Amen! @post66. I personally can’t wait until those who aren’t involved come forward, it will bring nothing but great things to team Scotland! Until then I hope everyone who comes forward this year has a great time at worlds
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86.22.254.129 | Fri 26th Jul 2019 - 18:40
 
Some of the girls from my team
Competed with team Scotland last year... an opportunity I can’t currently give them.
Our team is not on any ‘side’. I like and respect CDC, JC, Goldstar just the same.
Stop trying to make drama just for the sake of it- not everyone wants involved in the drama and just wants the best for their kids
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85.255.232.173 | Fri 26th Jul 2019 - 20:06
 
Honestly wish they had Came forward this year as could have really benefited Team Scotland 2020 especially cheer as in my opinion the better cheer teams are the ones not involved Goldstar , Jc and cosmic flames . Dance will do ok as they have cdc , Phoenix and probably few other good dancers but cheer will struggle again for sure .
These teams above should see that , why not send their athletes for such an amazing opportunity
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213.205.241.166 | Fri 26th Jul 2019 - 20:12
 
Roz getting to coach two teams over other coaches not even being offered roles.

All inclusive this management team isn’t it.
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213.205.241.16 | Fri 26th Jul 2019 - 20:14
 
Roz because she’s much more qualified than everyone else who applys? No brainier
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213.205.241.166 | Fri 26th Jul 2019 - 20:17
 
Yeah ok so just shove everyone else aside that wanted to at least be involved to give one coach two teams!
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90.203.21.131 | Fri 26th Jul 2019 - 20:18
 
theres other coaches who are qualified/experienced up to level 5 who applied......so much for unified......just waiting to see the board seats now all become part of same clique....
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31.53.84.240 | Fri 26th Jul 2019 - 20:40
 
Who else applied do we know?
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217.163.51.138 | Fri 26th Jul 2019 - 21:57
 
how do you know who else applied? and if so it was down to a vote so surely there's a reason these people never got voted in (experience)
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85.255.234.178 | Fri 26th Jul 2019 - 22:16
 
This whole Team Scotland is about Roz and Lisa and everyone going find that out sooner or later ! Last season all we heard was Roz had nothing to do with TS cmon !! Now she coaching JUNIOR and SENIOR . Joke
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82.43.90.99 | Fri 26th Jul 2019 - 22:21
 
And then you expect coaches like jade Joanne and Claire to come forward !!
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79.66.10.251 | Fri 26th Jul 2019 - 23:34
 
So out of the people who did/would apply who do you think is better placed to coach the senior team?
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213.205.241.10 | Sat 27th Jul 2019 - 02:13
 
Yeah she had nothing to do with it last year but still gave a big speech at the ball & was at some practices. It was obvious she was gonna be involved after the first year. She couldn’t be involved first year as everyone would say it was predictable - so waited a season. It’s actually laughable how stupid they think everyone is. When is senior hip hop coaches being announced? Wonder what CDC coaches got that.
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31.54.79.179 | Sat 27th Jul 2019 - 10:49
 
The other application for senior pulled out. People thinking they know what happened. Laughable.
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90.203.21.131 | Sat 27th Jul 2019 - 11:01
 
yeah we will just ignore the fact that there was another cheer coach in the running lol this is EXACTLY how people predicted it would turn out........and look at that........it can be covered up all you like but its pretty obvious whats going on here.....
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86.139.135.25 | Sat 27th Jul 2019 - 11:03
 
Roz never done team Scotland last year as her team trained on the days they had class as song rockstar athletes got into teams then couldn’t do team Scotland as they had their own classes. So before you start your conspiracy theories @post79 get your facts straight first. The laughable thing about what you’ve said is if Roz wanted to coach last year I’m sure she would of been welcomed. Sorry to let you down your theory is incorrect 😭
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86.139.135.25 | Sat 27th Jul 2019 - 11:05
 
Also her Facebook is Rozlyn Hart why don’t you message her @post79 and ask her these things and let her know what you think instead of writing on an anonymous forum?
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79.66.10.251 | Sat 27th Jul 2019 - 11:12
 
I'm finding some of these arguements hard to understand, do anyone who wants to be involved in coaching should be? I'm all for welcoming people but if you do not have the right experience, track record for success or qualifications then why should you be trusted with the safety and education of the athletes?????

The people who voted, board or committee whatever they are called, obviously reviewed all the applications and used their professional judgement to decide who is best for the role. It isn't about pleasing all the applicants by giving them all a shot, this is the same as any job you apply for.
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90.203.21.131 | Sat 27th Jul 2019 - 11:27
 
funny how the coaches are 'good enough' one year then the next when certain people come on board they are considered not good enough anymore.....convenient......
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82.132.216.6 | Sat 27th Jul 2019 - 11:38
 
AHH so now we are getting into the real issue someone who coached last year applied and never got the job.
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31.53.84.240 | Sat 27th Jul 2019 - 12:07
 
@post84 Strongly agree!!! Last year this forum went wild saying that the coaches didn’t have enough experience and that they were a danger to the athletes at such a high level, it was unsafe etc etc. I don’t think anyone can argue that about the coaches this year, so surely it’s a good thing?! I’d much rather have a coach who knows what they’re doing coaching both than a level 2 coach trying level 5. This isn’t the Girl Scouts, not everyone is getting a turn, it’s about using the best of what was offered
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31.53.84.240 | Sat 27th Jul 2019 - 12:12
 
@post85 obviously not referring to all, but a lot of the coaches from last year can’t win at levels 1 or 2. They were underqualified, so maybe this year when a better candidate came along they were pushed down the list. It’s not unfair, it’s be the same in any job
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176.24.141.129 | Sat 27th Jul 2019 - 19:14
 
Agree at post above , they didn't have the experience , so Roz will be better although still not sure I agree with the whole Roz and Lisa scenario taking over team Scotland
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85.255.234.227 | Sat 27th Jul 2019 - 19:19
 
Claire mccreath And jade Hunter should be getting involved and coaching Cheer for sure . Cmon guys get over your disagreements and help these kids And your country
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85.255.233.45 | Sat 27th Jul 2019 - 19:20
 
@post90 they should of applied but they didn’t go speak to them about it instead of trying to cause arguments
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82.132.218.86 | Sat 27th Jul 2019 - 19:34
 
@post90 I agree Claire getting involved would be excellent for the national team but not Jade who seems to be highly overrated . Have we all forgotten about the plagiarism of routines?
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91.84.54.233 | Sat 27th Jul 2019 - 20:06
 
Shame they cant put whatever happened between them and care enough for Scotland’s national teams
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85.255.234.240 | Sat 27th Jul 2019 - 20:20
 
@post92 I moved my kids to Jc and cannot believe difference in them under jades coaching . She is the best at what she does and she spends so much time with all the athletes . I think on reading your comment you obviously dislike jade , maybe you hold grudge or something ? Not sure , but what I have to say now is I also know Roz and I definately wouldn't be want her to coach my kids on what I know , in fact tempted to post here a few things I know !
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82.132.219.44 | Sat 27th Jul 2019 - 20:33
 
@post94 certainly no grudges on my part, I had a lot of respect for her until she put blatantly ripped off routines on the floor passing them off as her own choreography...on more than one occasion!
Clearly the only person with a grudge here is you!
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213.205.241.109 | Sat 27th Jul 2019 - 21:01
 
Let’s just hope Roz stays sober for her teams performances. Couldn’t manage it at scotcheer. I’m sure there is something in the rules about drunk coaches but of course blind eye turned again. Openly standing swigging out a bottle of wine. Not who I would want coaching my kid
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82.28.179.174 | Sat 27th Jul 2019 - 21:30
 
So excited for team Scotland this year!! Already have high expectations for pom, jazz and hip hop after the coach reveal, they were fab last year! Always enjoy rockstar cheer routines so I’m excited for cheer this year with Roz on board.

Quite frankly, the negative attention directed at coaches on either ‘side’ is an absolute disgrace and really upsetting. To think that it is adults who are party to this behaviour baffles me.

The ‘haters’ have made their point, enough is enough, you don’t think the people on board are good enough, that’s fine, everyone is entitled to their opinion. What confuses me is that you openly say they aren’t good enough but you are not on the team and never will be so why do you care so much? If you hate it so much then stay away, it’s the best thing for you, national teams in all sports need support and companionship not constant negativity, especially from people who apparently want nothing to do with it anyway?
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94.2.160.55 | Sat 27th Jul 2019 - 21:42
 
@post94 what do u know
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85.255.232.38 | Sat 27th Jul 2019 - 22:17
 
A lot of drunk coaches at scotcheer. Who the hell sells alcohol at a competition??? Venue error.
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213.205.241.109 | Sat 27th Jul 2019 - 22:41
 
Just cause the venue sells it doesn’t mean the coaches need to drink it
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80.2.23.104 | Sat 27th Jul 2019 - 22:55
 
most venues sell it that iv noticed
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85.255.233.138 | Sun 28th Jul 2019 - 13:04
 
Coaches should not be drinking at a comp that's discraceful.
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89.241.186.232 | Sun 28th Jul 2019 - 13:18
 
If I saw something at an event like that and I was concerned I would report it to the event producer I wouldn't wait months down the line and post about it on a forum
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213.205.241.78 | Sun 28th Jul 2019 - 16:15
 
How do you know it wasn’t reported. Post says a blind eye was turned!
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176.254.131.4 | Sun 28th Jul 2019 - 20:35
 
Swigging from a bottle is shocking! Not professional at all!!
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85.255.236.172 | Mon 29th Jul 2019 - 12:20
 
FFS.This is ridiculous! Get a grip. Swigging from a bottle? Proof please? She didnt seem drunk when we spoke to her! I am excited to see what goes on the floor for team scotland this year. The coaches are very talented and i think the adative team will blow everyone away, i think Leanne is exactly what they need for that particular team patient, friendly and she such a drive. Roz & Eilidh will be the perfect partnership complete opposites with respect for each other as well as there creatively and a passion for cheer! Nicole, Stacy, Sharlene, Tammy, Allana & Karen there results last year spoke for themselves! Amy, Jen Maddie, highly talented, enthusiastic & have been involved in performing and choreoing in there allstar teams as well as outwith. This team that has been put together will do amazing things they are highly qualified, well respected woman. Maybe about time we all cheered from the sidelines instead of trying to pull people down.
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82.132.217.158 | Mon 29th Jul 2019 - 12:51
 
@post106 I couldn't have said it better myself
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85.255.235.135 | Mon 29th Jul 2019 - 14:43
 
Roz was well drunk at Scotcheer , I think everyone just accepts as they scared of her
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92.236.11.125 | Mon 29th Jul 2019 - 18:36
 
I’m certainly not scared of Roz is that a joke! Just like the whole Team Scotland coaching & staff choice is a joke!! It wouldn’t have mattered who applied the outcome would have been the same, it’s a clique and always will be. Even their tactics last season were for their benefit to make them look better this season!! Disgraceful and I know a few credible coaches that applied and got nowhete, yet Roz gets to coach both teams!! What a shameful shambles ! Such a shame on Scotland and the numerous kids hat are talented but won’t get a chance to be on TS ☹️ Watch this space as the TS squads will be made up of all the coaches teams!!!
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213.205.241.7 | Mon 29th Jul 2019 - 19:22
 
Every coach at scotcheer was giving a small bottle of Prosecco from Jo, that we all more or less drank. It was a small bottle it was hardly a piss up . Roz and Lauren had an arguement which we all know about so this is now obviously Lauren and her possy set for revenge it’s sad get over it .
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82.33.250.226 | Mon 29th Jul 2019 - 19:28
 
Why can’t you all go concentrate on your own teams if you don’t like team Scotland then just get on with it and let them get on with it . I could never offer the worlds experience to my team and I know can thanks to TS being unified .

If you all think for a minute that doing this as bids or something would give other people a chance your all deluded . The only teams that would be in for a shot would be CDC JC and goldstat. So most of you running your mouths would still never have a chance of being involved
And if you think Claire jade or Joanne running team Scotland would give you a chance then your beyond crazy they are all for themselves the only reason there raging about team Scotland is because thy can’t have it for themselves. They wouldn’t consider any of us for the teams .
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82.28.179.174 | Mon 29th Jul 2019 - 19:31
 
Love Scotcheer, great excuse for a tipple
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148.252.129.168 | Mon 29th Jul 2019 - 20:00
 
This was a set up by Roz and Lisa to run Team Scotland , Roz deliberately kept behind scenes saying she wasn't involved cmon . I realise that now after they have now dropped coaches this year and Roz coaching both . Disgrace !
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213.205.241.38 | Mon 29th Jul 2019 - 20:03
 
This is so funny there was literally 2 rockstars on team Scotland last year and maybe about 18 cdc across all 7 divisions of that ? . There was 120 athletes so they are hardly taking over Jesus
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89.241.186.232 | Mon 29th Jul 2019 - 20:09
 
@post113 who do you think should have got the job?? You seem to be in the know about who applied. As far as I heard there was only one coach from last year who applied ....
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85.255.236.244 | Mon 29th Jul 2019 - 21:01
 
I know of 2
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89.241.186.232 | Mon 29th Jul 2019 - 21:22
 
Two cheer coaches ???@post116,
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92.40.248.43 | Mon 29th Jul 2019 - 21:50
 
I also only know of one who didn’t get a job...
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31.53.84.240 | Mon 29th Jul 2019 - 22:33
 
@post109 kids from my team were involved last year and we all bought T-shirt’s because they had what, 20-25 team names on the back?! It’s not only CDC and rockstar. But stupid to say that tbh
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31.53.84.240 | Mon 29th Jul 2019 - 22:34
 
@post119 but sorry
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31.53.84.240 | Mon 29th Jul 2019 - 22:37
 
BIT. Jesus Christ πŸ™ˆ
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85.255.237.26 | Mon 29th Jul 2019 - 23:09
 
Poor Sarah McNeil
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86.170.76.97 | Mon 29th Jul 2019 - 23:27
 
Sarah achieved nothing with her team last year. Leanne did all the work and she took the credit.
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86.170.76.97 | Mon 29th Jul 2019 - 23:28
 
Everyone moaned they weren’t well qualified last year and now Roz who is qualified gets it and still moaning.
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176.254.131.4 | Tue 30th Jul 2019 - 08:15
 
Surely Sarah having a team going to Summit is an achievement?
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176.253.112.104 | Tue 30th Jul 2019 - 08:43
 
Sarah made far too many mistakes along the road last year I think the board would have done an injustice to everyone if they allowed her to coach again this year.
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80.2.20.149 | Tue 30th Jul 2019 - 09:32
 
there was 5 bids available and only 4 eligible teams, it would of been pretty hard for any of those 4 teams not to get a bid at that comp.
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80.2.22.235 | Tue 30th Jul 2019 - 13:29
 
@post110 I take it I am the Lauren you refer to.... I have absolutely no input in this whatsoever and certainly am not qualified to be criticising who has what coaching role for team Scotland, having been to worlds once as a spectator. I didn't personally have an argument with anyone other coaches conduct is none of my business. Just to clarify i wish all the athletes/coaches luck at worlds.
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85.255.232.107 | Tue 30th Jul 2019 - 14:52
 
Well done Lauren for speaking out publicly
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213.205.241.92 | Fri 2nd Aug 2019 - 01:27
 
Such a shame to see Scotland on here still embarrassing themselves and each other. I have to admit I wasn’t a fan originally of unified teams in the beginning as I believed all star programmes have the ability to train more, harder and would always put a better foot forward but I have to eat my own words as last year I was impressed what the teams achieved and the routines.
It’s just horrible to see all the hatred and bitterness when coaches are investing their time and energy to create something amazing for all kids across Scotland. Whither it looks biased to others or not I am thrilled to see who’s coaching and excited to see what they come up with. CDC are amazing program and watching them perform for years they always put their best foot forward and they would do the same for team Scotland. I don’t believe they would do anything half hearted. As many have stated I think the best people for the Jobs that were in the running have been picked based on their experience and expertise. That being said I’m not being biased as in an ideal world I’d love Claire from Goldstar to be the senior cheer coach as she has the experience and has took her team to worlds many times and knows level 5 probably the most out of all Scotland’s coaches, not taking anything away from Roz as she too has experience but with Claire not in the running Roz is definitely the best fit for the job.
To slander her name on here though is just disgusting, whither you like her or not. What is all that hatred and nastyness going to achieve? This all stems from somewhere and I have to say it must come from the coaches any feuds in the past or disagreements should have been handled in a dignified manner, instead of year after year kids growing older and into this world of hating this team and that team because our coaches don’t like each other. Coaches should be setting an example and teaching kids life lessons and not just in cheer, kids watch and learn from everything from what they hear and what they see. It would be a better place if everyone could kiss and Make up but in reality that won’t happen but even in life kids will
Grow up and have to work alongside colleagues they may not like or not get on with but we all have to be professional in these situations. Like Lisa and Roz doing this all for themselves stems from somewhere. I’m sure Team Scotland would welcome anyone who wanted to be apart of it and put the best foot forward. If you didn’t get a coaching job you liked also what example are you setting to the many kids and athletes that come on and real all this? When you apply for your dream job and don’t get it spit the dummy out and slander the company? Not the example I’d want set for my kids.
Rather than wasting all that energy and anger into hatred could be put into making something amazing and just shows with team England doing so well and are away ahead of Scotland in cheer by miles.
I’m sure Team Scotland will be amazing, I cannot wait to see what they all come up with, I hope all the athletes that are successful have an experience of a lifetime and I wish all the coaches best of luck. Xx
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185.69.145.90 | Fri 2nd Aug 2019 - 08:16
 
At post above , I feel sad too that because coaches ( like Claire ) won't let her athletes audition is the worse . It's obvious we all know the coaches don't get on and there is a divide, but why not let their athletes audition ?? That in itself is holding Scotland back from placing higher as these coaches obviously have the higher level athletes ! I don't think these other kids who are competing in level 2 are ever going to step up and compete well at level 5 at worlds . It's like any sport you need training and comp practice at that level before thinking you can suddenly be a level 5 base . It's not easy . To me Scottish coaches need try make up their differences for a successful Scotland at worlds .
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213.205.241.70 | Fri 2nd Aug 2019 - 09:50
 
Well said !!
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31.221.79.8 | Fri 2nd Aug 2019 - 10:23
 
Ever think maybe there athletes don’t want to tryout.
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92.236.11.125 | Fri 2nd Aug 2019 - 12:06
 
@post119 I said watch this space about the selection from this year not last year!! So whose stupid now?
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185.69.145.90 | Fri 2nd Aug 2019 - 12:16
 
Do you need your coaches permission to audition?
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213.205.241.70 | Fri 2nd Aug 2019 - 12:58
 
@post135, your going to make yourself look stupid when yet another large volume of teams are selected once again.
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185.69.145.90 | Fri 2nd Aug 2019 - 13:24
 
What do you mean at post above ? I'm just unsure if you need your own coaches permission ? I can't see that anywhere ?
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86.111.173.218 | Fri 2nd Aug 2019 - 13:29
 
I don’t think you do, but obviously might cause drama if they don’t want you to and you do
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176.253.112.104 | Fri 2nd Aug 2019 - 13:36
 
I think last year if they got a place they got a contract or something and it said before accepting please have your coaches permission ? Can’t remember maybe that was the year before .
Some kids don’t have coaches from unis etc
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82.132.216.69 | Fri 2nd Aug 2019 - 23:42
 
@post133 agreed, I don’t know why there’s so much focus on “these athletes should try out” and “this coach should volunteer to be involved” - maybe they’ve got enough going on with school/work/uni and their own teams? Maybe it’s too much of a time commitment or too expensive? It’s not worth an argument and drama over.
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176.253.112.104 | Sat 3rd Aug 2019 - 08:24
 
I don’t think for a minute the team Scotland staff are upset about certain athletes not attending tryouts and equally I don’t think these athletes and coaches that are not attending are upset either , i am sure if they were they would do something about it.

It’s everyone in between causing drama when the reality is all the professionals / head coaches etc in both party’s are really not sweating about it so why is everyone else
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81.108.135.45 | Sun 4th Aug 2019 - 17:05
 
It's all a con look at things closely CDC have done what everyone didn't want jc or gold star doing ??? It's all a pals act wake up people they did 2hqt they what opposed too πŸ€”πŸ€”
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81.108.135.45 | Sun 4th Aug 2019 - 17:07
 
What they are opposed too lol sneaky
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148.252.128.106 | Sun 4th Aug 2019 - 18:52
 
Let Roz and Lisa get on with it , they done great job so far
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81.108.135.45 | Sun 4th Aug 2019 - 22:22
 
United it is not let's not pretend
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85.255.232.12 | Sun 4th Aug 2019 - 23:59
 
Self gain for cdc and rockstar , people realising this now . They shouldn't be allowed to take kids from programmes
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89.241.186.232 | Mon 5th Aug 2019 - 07:34
 
I'm sure I saw a post on their Facebook that over 50 programmes have athletes trying out this year. That is pretty United if you ask me !!
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85.255.232.50 | Tue 6th Aug 2019 - 12:56
 
I never thought there was 50 teams in Scotland , if there are you never hear of them ?
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85.255.235.139 | Wed 7th Aug 2019 - 11:26
 
Taking kids from programmes really? What happened?
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kayemm (165) | Wed 7th Aug 2019 - 12:41
 
@post148 they don't need to be allstar cheer programmes though. There could be people from dance schools and university teams trying out as it's not a requirement to be a member of an allstar programme.
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85.255.232.131 | Fri 9th Aug 2019 - 21:16
 
Heard 2 girls from Jc has sent in application , surprising . Break through maybe ?
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176.252.240.44 | Sat 10th Aug 2019 - 13:53
 
And they’ll probs be kicked out JC or move to another team if this is true , can’t see JC allowing it
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213.205.241.28 | Sat 10th Aug 2019 - 20:16
 
352 programmes involved ... pretty united if you ask me
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86.8.201.139 | Sat 10th Aug 2019 - 20:56
 
it's 50 odd programmes not 352 πŸ€”πŸ€”
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185.69.144.36 | Sat 10th Aug 2019 - 21:17
 
Who's the 2 Jc athletes ?
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185.69.144.8 | Sun 11th Aug 2019 - 09:17
 
You will find out today at post above !
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151.231.236.57 | Sun 11th Aug 2019 - 11:14
 
352???
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86.172.90.37 | Sun 11th Aug 2019 - 11:26
 
352 auditions, 57 programs. Just dropped my daughter off. Just found out some of the kids arent in dance programs but do gymnastics or used to dance. So 57 plus really.
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86.8.201.139 | Sun 11th Aug 2019 - 13:02
 
is that 350 different auditions or 350 different kids? the cheer does not look to busy on instagrame if that is junior and senior at the same time? i do expect the dance to much larger.
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148.252.128.182 | Sun 11th Aug 2019 - 15:03
 
Audituons. Looks like there was 40 odd for cheer
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94.2.111.68 | Mon 12th Aug 2019 - 14:17
 
since when have tryouts become auditions
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86.152.189.224 | Mon 12th Aug 2019 - 19:19
 
@post161 do they not more or less mean the same thing? Audition for something in the arts, tryout for a sport? Since dancing is an art I’d say both are fine?
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81.108.135.45 | Mon 12th Aug 2019 - 23:46
 
57 programmes and not enough athletes to make a senior team??
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80.2.21.45 | Tue 13th Aug 2019 - 00:28
 
Only 46 people showed up, just over half that had applied for the junior/senior senior cheer try-outs.
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cheerworld2020 (1) | Tue 13th Aug 2019 - 12:28
 
Hi,

I have raised serious concerns with the way Team Scotland is run. Anyone looking in from the outside can quite clearly see that CDC and Rockstar coaches and management all have positions within the Board along with a few select others to make it look fair. The problem is that Tram Scotland and CDC are being run in conjunction with each other and are more or less the same entity. I’m in the knowledge that those board members did NOT submit an application to be part of the board are were selected because of their affiliation with CDC and the president Lisa Tausney. She knows if she fills the board with her colleagues from CDC and it comes to a vote on anything then they are going to back her leaving the rest of the board fighting a losing battle. They don’t even follow there own code of conduct either, it’s been made well aware that teams who once did allow athletes to attend auditions to stop sending them because within the time these athletes they move to CDC and the rules state you can’t benefit from working with TS and his is quite clearly the case, CDC hold all tryouts and now all practices at their own gym so that they get paid directly for using their own facilities. Also, poaching of athletes is ridiculous, they have private conversations with athletes and promise the world and this is proven FACTS. I have been in correspondence with hem and they are horrendous at getting back to you or give a drummed out response and don’t answer the questions put to them. I have also informed the ICU about the ongoings with Team Scotland as I think it’s best they step
In to clear the mess that’s being created and start from scratch with Team Scotland. Scotland is a diverse place with lots of talented athletes and coaches and currently TS is not a fair representation of that. TS is 95% made up of CDC and ROckstar athletes and also, they post up videos of certain teams practicing before the auditions. Let’s be honest they know who they want on the floor before any off the other athletes even hit the audition floor. It’s favouritism at the highest level and considering the presidents two daughters make it every year (both very talented) however, there is definitely people being biased. I would also like to point out, last years coaches selection gave people a title but not necessarily doing anything other than collect the money at class. If the problems aren’t fixed within Team scotland by making it a more diverse management by limiting the amount of coaches who can apply from one programme then it will never be a level playing field. If mistakes are being made innocently then sort them, however, even when it’s been brought to grit attention they fob you off. The have the TS teams to put on a performance at their own competition to show everyone their progress but again charged those athletes parents to get in to watch a couple of minutes routine which again they directly benefited from. I fully support a united team, and I understand their is differently loyalties and disagreements between programmes ie gold star and JCP, from my understanding why would these coaches take part in a unified Scottish board when one sits on the English board for cheer and that these teams mostly compete down south, so they don’t k ow Scottish cheer. I know their is coaches who applied for that job who were more suited to the job than the ones selected and I’m not being disrespectful either, and again it came down to other issues that those people didn’t get the job.

Team scotland is being used for gain and power. Anyone who has a different opinion god help us because I have emails to prove thy don’t take kindly to questioning them or the legality of their comps or Team Scotland. Give it up and start from scratch with a more diverse board who will follow through with the rules and see that they are being adhered too. It’s absolutely farcical and well done to the teams who rightly so didn’t allow their athletes to participate, it’s the right decision.
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85.255.233.186 | Tue 13th Aug 2019 - 14:26
 
Amen at post above . Well done you
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212.219.254.80 | Tue 13th Aug 2019 - 14:37
 
@post165 I can't speak to the truth of what you've posted,as I don't know the inner ins and outs of Team Scotland. but as far as I'm aware, CDC do not currently have their own gym so it's hardly fair to say the benefit from the use of the facilities. Do they not train in a community centre?
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176.253.112.104 | Tue 13th Aug 2019 - 14:48
 
@post165,

The fact your FACTS state that team Scotland was made up of 95% of cdc & rockstar is a clear indicator as to how wrong your FACTS are !

Cdc also don’t own a gym another one of your FACTS that are wrong

The board was voted on so yet another FACT you have wrong

Infact let’s cut it there because your FACTS are not FACTS at all.
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213.205.241.198 | Tue 13th Aug 2019 - 14:53
 
@post165,

Everything you have just said is enough to confirm you are seriously clueless
You need no further response to this terrible attempt at sabotage . Bye
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94.197.120.176 | Tue 13th Aug 2019 - 15:31
 
Correct me if I am wrong which I could be however despite being very talented has one of Lisa (president) kids not been made a reserve for past 3 years of TS. Seems like another incorrect “fact” that @post165 has claimed “presidents kids make the team every year “
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213.205.241.198 | Tue 13th Aug 2019 - 15:41
 
@post170, this is correct
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82.132.219.28 | Tue 13th Aug 2019 - 15:52
 
Both girls are minors so should be getting discussed on a forum like this
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176.253.112.104 | Tue 13th Aug 2019 - 16:00
 
Yeah your right admin should remove the post
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151.230.243.65 | Tue 13th Aug 2019 - 16:01
 
Thus does protest too much! Lisa’s army on the attack! The facts are there you may not agree, however, they have been asked for clarification on certain points and refuse to answer. Have they or haven’t they broken there own rules on recruiting athletes from other programmes? They bend the rules to suit themselves and other teams have better facilities that could be of more use to aid the participating athletes and again it comes down to finances. Team scotland should be ran independently away from any team and their management should not be made up consistently of those teams coaches. The whole process is flawed and I’m not the only person to think so! A few clicks online and if your smart enough you’ll find the same info I did.

At the end of the day, Team scotland was about unity and there is NO unity at all! It’s meant to be all inclusive it is NOT. Regardless of whether coaches personal issues are getting in the way of Claire and jade to be apart of this then your not practicing what your preaching. Without all teams following the rules set out originally and sticking to them scotland will
never be united. I’m sure there is someone up above looking down shaking his head because this was what he strived for and it’s being destroyed by greed, jealousy and power. Disgraceful, but carry on slaying me that cool, maybe they need to pull their big girl pants on and accept the criticism and fix it! Get Claire and jade on board and sort the differences and give the athletes of Scotland something to be proud to be apart of
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151.230.243.65 | Tue 13th Aug 2019 - 16:05
 
@post166 thank you! I knew I’d have an army attack me but facts are facts and rules are rules!
Hopefully we will be proud of our national squad when it’s all inclusive and fair
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151.230.243.65 | Tue 13th Aug 2019 - 16:15
 
@post169 I’m not trying to sabotage anything! If it was a fair process then we wouldn’t e having this conversation and the people are protesting well let’s guess where their loyalties lie. I’m not debating how good CDC are or how good the coaches are. That speaks for itself. However, ask yourself why teams aren’t allowing their athletes to participate and I can assure you no coach I know want to stop there athletes from reaching their full potential and represent their country, but don’t look through rose tinted glasses! Team Scotland should be independent from any team! Sabotage doesn’t help my child who would love to represent her country but she never will whilst we all sit and accept all that’s going on and never questions the legality or what’s morally right. You have your opinion and I have mine
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82.132.219.28 | Tue 13th Aug 2019 - 16:19
 
In this new independent team who would coach it? Coordinate ? Fundraise? You will need coaches from teams to be involved otherwise how will that work?
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85.255.235.229 | Tue 13th Aug 2019 - 17:12
 
Someone has seen who's running TS for what they really are , biggest thing is self gain . Lisa has taken kids from another programme to join hers which is wrong , she should be answering why she had a right to do that .
Also can someone clarify that the TS coaches got their flights paid for them last year ? Where money come from ?
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86.157.15.1 | Tue 13th Aug 2019 - 18:00
 
As a member of the SportCheer Scotland board but in no way affiliated with Champion Dance and Cheer or Rockstar, I would like to take this opportunity to respond to some of the comments above. This thread has been brought to our attention and as such I would to clarify some points. After this, any concerns should be directed to info@sportcheerscot.org.uk for SportCheer Scotland or nationalteam@sportcheerscot.org.uk for Team Scotland as we do not monitor this forum.

Board Positions
 
1.    We have 17 available seats on the SportCheer Scotland board. 8 Regional Directors, 4 Executive Directors, 1 Athlete Representative and 4 Officers. I can confirm 3 of our current board members are from Champion Dance and Cheer although 2 are currently up for re-election (Glasgow Regional Director and Executive Director). The following teams - as voted for by coaches across the country - make up the remaining seats The Marvels Cheerleaders, Electric Candy Cheerleaders, Academy Allstars, Infinity Allstars, Twist and Hit, Kilsyth Starlets, Rockstar, Silver Spirit Cheer and Dance, and Elevate. We currently have 5 vacancies on our board and welcome applications for Athlete Representative, North East Scotland Region, Lothian Region and 2 Executive Director positions. Information on how to get involved can be found on our website http://www.sportcheerscot.org.uk 
2.    All board members with voting rights submitted CVs however, I can confirm that the Secretary was approached as no one had applied for the position and we felt there would be extreme value in having someone that had studied law as part of our board. The secretary does not have any voting rights as per the statutes.
 
Code of Conduct/Benefitting from Position of Trust

1.    The code of conduct does clearly state that coaches, as does our statutes regarding board members, cannot financially benefit from their position and we can guarantee that is the case. In fact no one, has been paid to be associated with either SportCheer Scotland and/or Team Scotland, only travel expenses where given and the cost of the trip to Orlando covered. Endless hours of time for preparation/organisation and other expenses such as food and merchandise were not covered. I would go as far as saying, many of the volunteers are in fact out of pocket but understand this is an essential sacrifice at this stage.
2.    This year, the decision was taken for various reasons to locate all Team Scotland practices in a community centre that is run by a housing association therefore the housing association will be paid for venue hire – not an allstar team. Champion Dance and Cheer also utilise this venue for their practices however, they graciously allow SportCheer Scotland to utilise their 9 panel dead cheer floor, gymnastics training aids as well as 10 panel Marley floor free of charge. Again this is not Champion Dance and Cheer’s gym therefore they gain no financial benefit from Team Scotland training in the same facility.
3.    Team Scotland stipulate that all athletes must remain with their current program for the duration of the season and have in fact encouraged athletes to do so. There has been recent concern over athletes leaving teams at the end of the season to attend another allstar team therefore this has been brought to the National Team committee’s attention for discussion on how best to approach this. However, it may be worth noting that although SportCheer Scotland can encourage athletes to not change team and also implement a 1 year “waiting” time on trying out for Team Scotland after moving team, we are not in the position, to force programs to refuse participants. Until there is a comprehensive database of all athletes in the country as well as programs and event producers buying into SportCheer Scotland we can only suggest that teams work together on this issue.
 
Correspondence/Response Time
 
1.    SportCheer Scotland and its committees are made up completely of volunteers, many of those that spend countless hours on top of their full time jobs helping to build a federation to develop cheerleading in Scotland. It is our aspiration that one day, SportCheer Scotland can employ a multitude of staff to operate the federation however at this time we rely greatly upon the generosity and drive of our volunteers to progress the organisation. We therefore appreciate your patience when corresponding with us.
 
 
Make Up of Team Scotland/Coaches
 
1.    Firstly, I am sure that many allstar teams will be unhappy that their athletes have been dismissed as part of Team Scotland because last year 26 teams where represented across the 7 disciplines with only about one fifth in total being from both Champion Dance and Cheer and Rockstar. This year, 57 teams in total have representatives trying out and I can confirm only aprroximately 15% are from the aforementioned teams. If other teams chose not to send athletes for any reason that is their choice however we aim to showcase talent from all over Scotland, from the Highlands to the Borders.
2.    If you are unhappy with anything regarding the coaching of Team Scotland, we would encourage you to come forward through the appropriate channels. We learned a lot from our inaugural year and have implemented some strong changes that we hope will build on our success and improve the experience for everyone involved.
3.    Of all the coaches that applied for a role in 2019/2020 team, only 1 applicant wasn’t offered a position as a result of voting by SportCheer Scotland’s local authority representatives and 1 other declined a role for reasons which we respect although they would have been a great asset to the team.
 
ACDC Performance
 
1.    This showcase was to allow athletes the chance to perform on a stage and have a trial run of their routine. Parents were of course invited to watch this but this cannot be to the detriment of the event. Parents where offered a reduced rate however, many where already in attendance as their teams where competing. SportCheer Scotland are thankful that ACDC allow the athletes to showcase their routine in front of an audience as well as be judged by World class judges to seek feedback prior to ICU World Championships. However, SportCheer Scotland also welcome any other event producers that feel they can provide this chance in March/April time to get in touch to assess feasibility.
 
You ask for more diversity across our board, we are asking for the same. I’m sure one thing everyone in Scotland can agree on is that we want the best for our athletes, programs, coaches, volunteers and everyone else involved in the sport of cheerleading and the best way to do that is to see representation from across the country. We would love to see people from both World class competition teams to small community recreational teams and everything in between having a voice and being heard. This, however, is only possible when we work together and stop fighting amongst ourselves. SportCheer Scotland has been recognised by International Cheer Union and European Cheer Union as the governing body for cheerleading in Scotland and we will keep working towards recognition from sportscotland. If we cannot set personal situations aside and work together we are in danger of being left behind when cheerleading receives Olympic status. This is not about this program or that program, this is bigger than that. It’s all of us. It’s the future of our sport.
 
As always there is an open invitation to be involved in any way that is feasible for you and if you have been unlucky in securing a position the past, please do not let that put you off. Our board is currently recruiting and will be again next year for all positions and we welcome applications from everyone. We are currently developing a membership scheme and members will be eligible to vote on these board positions moving forward. The federation is for everyone in Scotland, so get involved and help shape the future of cheerleading.
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94.197.120.209 | Tue 13th Aug 2019 - 18:13
 
*mic drop*
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151.230.243.65 | Tue 13th Aug 2019 - 18:41
 
It seems I’ve ruffled a few feathers, but in order to change an organisation you need to ruffle feathers and I’ve done so that much I’ve had an email from the president of team Scotland to discuss my concerns and question the legality of my concerns. This should be interesting and hopefully get answers to my questions and hopefully she makes changes for the better of all team Scotland
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148.252.129.77 | Tue 13th Aug 2019 - 20:29
 
I hope you get some answers from the president at post above , great you have shown concerns, hope they answer you
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151.230.243.65 | Tue 13th Aug 2019 - 21:58
 
@182 unfortunately it seems I won’t! She would like me to disclose which team I am affiliated with, which I won’t do as the views shared are mine and mine alone and if ppl agree and share my concerns then it’s more than me who feels the same. The president will no longer reply to my emails without full disclosure and think my concerns aren’t validated. She even wanted a face to face meeting to show me around centre 81 and proceeded to name another team in those emails. I’ve never been one to back down from a battle and her emails have just pushed me to take things further and I will see that it’s investigated by the ICU, if that’s what it takes to get transparency then so be it
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86.152.189.224 | Tue 13th Aug 2019 - 22:10
 
@post183 so let me get this right, she’s offered to give up her time and show you around the facility as well as being open to answer all questions on the condition that you give a team affiliation (necessary given that there are children involved)?! What is your problem?! Like seriously, she’s trying to help why can’t you meet her half way and tell her what team you’re from?!?! Small ask. Scottish Athletics President wouldnt do any of that from an email query?! By all means, go to the ICU. I’m sure they’ll also tell you you’re being unreasonable
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176.253.112.104 | Tue 13th Aug 2019 - 22:33
 
You will find the ICU will also not respond to an anonymous email.
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82.132.218.230 | Tue 13th Aug 2019 - 22:35
 
She will threaten to get her (fake) lawyers onto you to scare you!
Will great power comes great responsibility so time to look out for the athletes and not your own self gain.
Only took 1 year for people to see through the corrupt Lisa & Ros
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176.253.112.104 | Tue 13th Aug 2019 - 22:43
 
@post186, nobody’s got a clue what your trying to say
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85.255.237.93 | Tue 13th Aug 2019 - 22:46
 
@post186 all for self gain you are so right . I hope everyone realising that now .
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213.205.241.71 | Tue 13th Aug 2019 - 22:50
 
, @post183,
If your so concerned and want to be heard why don’t you meet her then if that’s what she is saying ? I suspect because your a coach and don’t want to disclose who you are.
You can’t blame her for not taking you seriously when your hiding your identity . It’s very odd behaviour
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213.205.241.71 | Tue 13th Aug 2019 - 22:53
 
@post188, with the amount of athletes and teams auditioning it would seem there’s more faith in team Scotland than those without faith .
That number will grow each year as people will realise in their own time that no matter who you are you will be welcomed to help Sportcheer and team Scot if you wish to do so . Why not offer your help and then make your mind up πŸ‘πŸ»
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80.2.22.205 | Wed 14th Aug 2019 - 00:15
 
I don't be know if this is a stupid question, if this is all gearing up for when cheerleading is going to be part of the olympics, would it not be a team GB? if that's the case then team scotland is not going to get very far against the english athletes and coaches that would be involved if that's the case?
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81.108.135.45 | Wed 14th Aug 2019 - 03:09
 
This actual tit for tat arguments lawyers etc let people be honest true and transparent... teams affiliation is not the cause of concern but integrity, transparency if no one had anything to hide them it is all above aboard ..... but trust and believe people Scotland is not unified when team members have left from teams which blatantly showed at the 2019 world's regardless
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81.108.135.45 | Wed 14th Aug 2019 - 03:13
 
@post180 Mic was not dropped .... all was factually correct yes centre 81 is not a gym but it's CDC and rockstars base fact as I seen it myself picking up team Scotland merchandise
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81.108.135.45 | Wed 14th Aug 2019 - 03:22
 
184 what team you affiliated with cause you have a lot of opinions ?? I can guess
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kayemm (165) | Wed 14th Aug 2019 - 07:39
 
@post193 Rockstar train in Renfrew...
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213.205.241.71 | Wed 14th Aug 2019 - 07:55
 
Let’s call a spade a spade here this is clearly the electric candy mob greetin because one girl has left their team who was never originally from electric candy. Didn’t see her old coach cause all this drama when Nicola happily took her in at candy .
It’s embarrassing now give your heads a rest
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176.253.112.104 | Wed 14th Aug 2019 - 08:05
 
@post193, @post192, @post181, @post176, @post165, @post174, @post175, @post183,

Your all the same person this is getting weird now
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85.255.232.101 | Wed 14th Aug 2019 - 10:49
 
Why weird at post above ? It's just truth
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94.11.103.114 | Wed 14th Aug 2019 - 12:22
 
Emm.......I don’t need to see centre 81, I’ve been there and seen it, so definitely no need to go and meet her. As I stated previously, Lisa and her loyal army are going to hound all who think differently and don’t agree with them and I have stated to Lisa already, I am more than willing to keep communicating and has she answered the questions put to her then I’d have been happy with the explanation given. It’s far from tit for tat, please take your rose tinted glasses off and see what’s in front of you and it’s also clear from some posters above, that I’m not the only person who questions the legality of it all and for the record, look at how the hounds attack when they don’t know who you are and they wonder why people don’t speak out against them. Again, my views are my own and if people don’t like it then shoot me, I gather the ones who have jumped on their high horses are all affiliated with a certain team. Change the board, make it a fair representation of Scotland and limit the amount of people from one team who can participate, allow one member of each team a seat or position and for voting purposes, again only allow one person from each team to have a vote, not multiple from a team. Regarding, athletes who leave their programmes it’s been well documented this has been going on for years and certainly don’t make assumptions either. It appears that they don’t take criticism well and refuse to engage and she can send my email to her lawyers if she so wishes
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94.11.103.114 | Wed 14th Aug 2019 - 13:10
 
Playing devils advocate here what if the concerns the poster have some truth? Not saying that it’s πŸ’― accurate but this could have been settled by the sounds of it, open communication back up and answer the questions that have been asked. I agree and disagree with things that have been posted but understand someone questioning it. Shouldn’t be a battle or slagging anyone off though.
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148.252.128.242 | Wed 14th Aug 2019 - 13:27
 
If this is Nicola from electric candy , she has a right to feel the way she does , Lisa has no right to be taking athletes / dancers . She also should be coming out publicly and giving an explanation .
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92.40.248.219 | Wed 14th Aug 2019 - 13:31
 
god some of you need to get a life πŸ˜‚
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51.52.245.138 | Wed 14th Aug 2019 - 13:43
 
No wonder Gold star and JC want nothing to do with team Scotland so much drama. why would they want to be involved ?
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94.197.120.225 | Wed 14th Aug 2019 - 14:39
 
Anyone else from England just sitting with popcorn rn?! Scotland seems wild πŸ˜‚
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51.52.245.138 | Wed 14th Aug 2019 - 14:53
 
@post204 That's probs why Goldstar & jc compete down south lol
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213.205.241.113 | Wed 14th Aug 2019 - 22:57
 
They go on about the votes & it was coaches who voted the board on & bla bla bla but who counted the votes?? Was it an independent person not affiliated to any team in Scotland ?

Why was Roz not at the auditions if she’s so amazing she gets two coaching roles?
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94.11.103.114 | Thu 15th Aug 2019 - 08:37
 
@206 totally agree! They’ve stated above that all but one person who applied got a role and one declined. So, why did that other person not get one of the roles given to Rox, and I’d be interested to know why the other applied but rejected the job offer!! We can all speculate regarding it but they will never disclose it, they need to keep their friends close to have the majority
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92.40.249.37 | Thu 15th Aug 2019 - 08:43
 
@post207 well it’s not exactly something they’re going to publish on Facebook is it?!

@post206 why don’t you email the questions you have and let us know what they reply?
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185.69.144.221 | Thu 15th Aug 2019 - 09:12
 
That's so sad that only 1 that applied never got ? That person was used last year as they needed her then , agree Roz should never have been given 2 . Says it all . Self gain for Roz and Lisa , why people don't see this is beyond me . Coaches will find out about them in due time .
It's been said a hundred times before , if clued up atall coaches should realise that the top teams in Scotland will never get involved . If Goldstar and Jc coaches won't let their athletes try out , do you not wonder why ??????
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94.11.103.114 | Thu 15th Aug 2019 - 09:35
 
@208 I have emailed them and asked and you get accused of defamation! They are questions that should be answered regardless of whether she likes them or not, that’s the position she took on being the President of a nationals team. It’s more to the case that now people are beginning to question them. I’ve tried many different avenues to get answers and the answers they do give don’t make sense. They said an independent team will look at my concerns and I’d like to know who this team are and who selected them and still waiting on a reply. Ignorance seems to be bliss and obviously by continuing to ignore people’s concerns makes them look really unprofessional. They need to realise that people are wanting to support and national team but until it’s fair and properly regulated and rules followed their NEVER will be a unified team! You can’t call a team unified when all teams aren’t on board and id love to hear there views on why they didn’t get involved! I’m pretty sure they are smart and could see through all the bull! How bad is it that the coach who applied for that job and didn’t get the position, knows that they would rather give Roz two positions instead of offering her one and I feel bad for the other who declined also I’m sure that decision wasn’t taken lightly either
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188.29.164.27 | Thu 15th Aug 2019 - 09:35
 
I’m sorry but from what I am reading…SportCheer Scotland appear to be responding to your queries and as you say, Lisa has offered to meet you. She can’t seem to do right for doing wrong?

I appreciate that you have questions – there are always teething issues, however trolling on an anonymous forum isn’t going to get you any answers or make you a respectable source of information…in my opinion.
If coaches have concerns or better yet, suggestions on how to improve the system and progress cheerleading in Scotland rather than tearing it down, then I am sure they will approach the federation.

At the end of the day, there will be no progress if everyone bitches behind each other’s back and writes on an anonymous forum which is clearly read and responded to by athletes of all ages, parents and coaches – not exactly a good platform for the discussion, nor a very good example for young, impressionable athletes.

The volunteers in place for SportCheer Scotland and Team Scotland appear to be working hard – no system is perfect, but they are using the statutes provided by ICU to start this federation and move Scotland forward – not an easy task clearly if you read the posts above. They are also advertising board seats that are up for re-election, one of which is the Glasgow seat – plenty of coaches live within this region that I am sure have opinions and suggestions – step forward? The local area reps and board members currently in place cover area’s far and wide, across various teams throughout Scotland.

I agree, Scotland does look like a laughing stock on this post….it is very embarrassing. There are board seats available on the website – if coaches are interested in raising concerns or suggesting improvements, they should step forward.

Also, guess what!?....

There are more coaches and talented athletes in Scotland out with Goldstar, JC, CDC & Rockstar – why we keep discussing these four teams is beyond me! There are 50+ programmes trying out for Team Scotland? Everyone should get involved in same way or another to progress Cheerleading in Scotland.

Above all, SportCheer Scotland is not just about ‘Team Scotland’. It is so much bigger than that, but yes it will take time to get to where Scotland needs it to be….but that is life! Everyone tearing it down, slating it on an anonymous forum instead of channelling your concerns and subsequent suggestions in a positive way – I don’t know what you expect to achieve in this format?

Anyway, that’s just my opinion…
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213.205.241.50 | Thu 15th Aug 2019 - 09:35
 
Also quite embarrassing for the 1 person who didn’t get a role as now the full of this forum know that there was only one person rejected & doesn’t take a genius to work out who applied this year again but didn’t get offered a role. The board member should never have posted that information above in their “giving facts” rant
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188.29.165.96 | Thu 15th Aug 2019 - 10:31
 
@post212 If you read the above posts, the coach in question was already named far before the board member. Very unfortunate and uncomfortable but the board member was only responding to the accusation that many more qualified people hadn’t been offered the role, when in fact it was only one. Once again, they can’t do right for doing wrong. Don’t reply to accusations and you are being corrupt and sneaky, respond and clarify the facts and you’re being hurtful. Come on now, let’s all grow up.
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kayemm (165) | Thu 15th Aug 2019 - 10:42
 
This whole thread is getting ridiculous now. Concerns have been posted and addressed, the President has offered to meet to discuss them further, so really there should be no need for any further communication regarding this in the forum. Otherwise it will just continue to be a "he said she said" with no resolution.
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94.11.103.114 | Thu 15th Aug 2019 - 10:45
 
@211 no one is trolling anyone! I can assure you there has been emails and again questions were ignored! Teething problems? I could agree with that, however, if they do not address those teething problems and fix the problems that are quite clearly there, then they aren’t going to manage to make this work. I agree there are more coaches and teams out there who for whatever reasons have decided not to participate, and again that’s all spectulation. For the coach who wasn’t selected, it’s sad that info was put out there and it’s gotten to this point because emails were ignored and questions ignored and it took to posting on this forum to get there attention and it seems others are in agreement, I won’t apologies for starting a debate for answers and those who are jumping to there defence do so out of loyalty! If this is to work and be able move forward positively, they need to stop thinking that everyone is their enemy and that people want to believe and participate but there actions are making it difficult. Easily rectified in my opinion but seems they find it hard to put things into practice
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94.11.103.114 | Thu 15th Aug 2019 - 10:54
 
@214as the poster as already said is that it’s takenfor it to be posted on this forum for anyone to take notice! Nothing like a good hearty debate
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213.205.241.44 | Thu 15th Aug 2019 - 15:17
 
Why don’t we just forget about the whole Team Scotland thing and watch Team England Ireland and Wales become Team GB and Scotland can all stay at home with their rolls and sausage and cups of tea when the Olympics are on and support them and think we could have been part of that but we have embarrassed ourselves once again !
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94.11.103.114 | Thu 15th Aug 2019 - 15:57
 
Exactly, total embarrassment and laughing stock! All because they can’t seem to manage a team! Move over and let the professionals in
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176.253.112.104 | Thu 15th Aug 2019 - 16:09
 
The professionals🀣🀣🀣🀣🀣 back in your holes people back in your holes
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85.255.234.150 | Thu 15th Aug 2019 - 16:22
 
Honestly as far as I’m concerned there’s no need to bring kids/athletes into this, mentioning Lisa’s kids or a specific athlete from Electric Candy when they’re not part of this.
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195.89.72.16 | Thu 15th Aug 2019 - 18:29
 
The fact is Lisa is the president so she was always going to take the bullet for it all as she’s the decision maker supposedly! It’s others whose loyalty are to Lisa that are throwing names and teams about! People will make their own assumptions in the accusations, I think had the questions been addressed privately then it wouldn’t have become this free for all and tit for tat rubbish
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94.11.103.114 | Fri 16th Aug 2019 - 08:51
 
I’m not 100% clued up in the ins and outs of team scotland and was under the impression all teams in Scotland were involved! Is this not the case? Asking because my daughter will be old enough next year to audition and by the responses above don’t know if it’s such a good thing. Hope it all gets resolved so all parties are satisfied
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kayemm (165) | Fri 16th Aug 2019 - 09:30
 
@post222 the girls I know who have been on Team Scotland, in both recent or past years, have had an incredible experience and made friends for life across Scotland. I wouldn't let what's in this thread put you off letting your daughter try out.
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151.227.218.228 | Fri 16th Aug 2019 - 09:37
 
@post223 I know lots of girls that have been part of Tram Scotland and learned a lot, made friends for life and loved every minute. These comments are sour grapes from people with no clue. Let your girl try out if she got a place I’m sure she would love it like so many hundreds of girls have over the years from Scotland.
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94.11.103.114 | Fri 16th Aug 2019 - 10:02
 
@224 I’m newish to cheer, my only concern is what is actually going on with it all? I’m sure mistakes have been made and I’m not sure it’s sour grapes but it seems the views that have been posted some agree with!sounds like an amazing opportunity though, hope they manage to pull everyone together and keep communicating with each other to make it better for everyone concerned 😊
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94.11.103.114 | Fri 16th Aug 2019 - 12:50
 
I’ve literally sat mouth wide reading this thread🀦🏼‍♀️ Ok people have opinions and others might not agree it their has gotten to be something that triggered those concerns. Certainly don’t agree with kids and other teams being mentioned to drag them through the mud. Some of the defending of team Scotland and cdc is justified if your an athlete or parent but don’t be so one way with your views, can I maybe suggest that the board have a meeting to discuss the concerns made
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85.255.234.204 | Fri 16th Aug 2019 - 21:57
 
I agree I feel
A meeting should be held and invite all coaches
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2.223.172.153 | Fri 16th Aug 2019 - 22:36
 
@post227 agreed but the problem with these meetings is that they never actually invite everyone. There was a few not invited to the original meeting in Stirling that started off the whole Sportcheer Scotland thing.
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213.205.241.100 | Fri 16th Aug 2019 - 22:54
 
Oh my god, I am actually lost for words. I don’t know what’s worse that this all sounds like grown adults how embarrassing for them and for Scotland, as a few posts above said England and Wales sitting with popcorn laughing at us all and no wonder.

To the person moaning about not gaining information/answers because you wish to remain anonymous. What do you expect? If you email a company to complain you provide all your information so why would this be any different? Especially might I add that this involves children so there is child protection law and rules and data disclosure laws etc so before they disclose anything to you of course they would need to know that you are involved or your child was involved before giving any information to a random person? You must be completely insane to think otherwise. It’s common sense. She responded to you and in my opinion was giving you two reasonable ways to discuss your options you listed two methods she offered and you offered none so can see why your not gaining any sympathy on here.

But oh my word, if this is what cheerleading in Scotland is like I wouldn’t want my children to be apart of it, and I don’t mean Team Scotland I mean cheer in general. forget dance moms. Cheer moms (the Scottish edition) would be an award winning reality show. Completely ridiculous and it’s a shame as no offence to the previous unified Team Scotland years ago but the current Team Scotland are doing far better than what we did years ago.

The poaching carry on, you can say that about any of the teams mentioned above, Goldstar poached ACG athletes after camps with them, same with sirens, JCP poached marvels, electric candy poached Goldstar athletes........ it goes on and on and on you can say that about any team but until you know exactly what the set of circumstances are, athletes family moved area and that was close for them to travel to there can be numbers of different reasons as to why athletes changed teams but it’s not my business why Maggie Ann down the road left my team to join that team.

I just don’t understand this mentality to destroy, if I didn’t get something handed to me on a plate, I took a step back looked at the bigger picture and worked hard to get there and to achieve what I wanted to achieve. Not making the team and crying on here about it because your daughter didn’t make the team or your a coach who didn’t make the coaching panel. Set an example for impressionable young girls and teach them to work harder to gain what they want. Prove to them through your determination it’s possible rather than destruction.

God give us strength, Scottish cheer needs it desperately
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148.252.129.30 | Sat 17th Aug 2019 - 00:36
 
A meeting and all Scottish coaches should attend. If they don't attend then shows how uninterested they are in the future of our country . Coaches get your differences sorted
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151.231.236.57 | Sat 17th Aug 2019 - 07:15
 
This is about our Team Scotland Teams that the president is promoting unity but accepting athletes from teams that attend the ‘united’ Team Scotland. Anyone with a brain cell can see this is morally wrong. There should be some sort of rule about this like there is in other sports.
But again she should be coming up with this and setting her own business aside.
And as for responding and holding meetings, it’s all part & parcel of the job. People will ask questions. She needs to respond professionally.
And this is a forum where discussions are allowed
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94.11.103.114 | Sat 17th Aug 2019 - 08:03
 
@232 totally agree! There is no united scotland! Just a team deciding the running of it and running it side by side with her own squad. Team scotland is cdc and cdc is team Scotland with a couple of athletes here or there. Don’t think they got the turn out they expected last week at auditions! Less than what applied showed up or pulled out speaks volumes
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85.255.234.164 | Sat 17th Aug 2019 - 08:52
 
Definately not united Scotland until the president calls a meeting for everyone to attend to sort out once and for all . As above post said at the moment it's the presidents athletes with few others that suck right up her . I've seen it all . Someone needs step in now or Scotland will most definately be left behind in progression
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5.68.38.188 | Sat 17th Aug 2019 - 09:04
 
@post229 when an athlete decides to move to another team, that does in no way mean that the programme has poached them. This is ultimately a decision made by athletes, not by coaches. You don't know any about athletes in different situations.
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94.11.103.114 | Sat 17th Aug 2019 - 09:20
 
@233 agreed! A meeting does need to take place to address everything. I think they don’t give parents, athletes or coaches any credit for not being stupid and being able to work things out for themselves. Being ignorant seems to suit them well, they have only one way of thinking and if your not on that same thought process they don’t like it. They know people all over Scotland can see the injustice of it all but yet continue to bury their heads in the sand. They have created the problems from the beginning and run everything how they see fit, they’re benefiting from it all and she knows it. I’ll be keeping my money firmly in my pocket until it’s fair and the selection process is equal. No ifs or buts Team Scotland should be independently run so
no one person benefits and rules in place stating that if your selected to represent your country you must stay with your own programme for at least 6 months and that way programmes and athletes are all following the same rules and be on the same page with it all. If that means contracts to be signed stating it to protect programmes then so be it. No one team is bigger than any others in Scotland they all have seasons that are brilliant ones not so good, promote team work, promote self worth, it’s more than a medal for some athletes and families. Think of all those athletes who are amazing and can’t afford to audition or go to Florida, you want a unified and all inclusive team but it’s clearly not.
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148.252.129.88 | Sat 17th Aug 2019 - 09:34
 
At post above I couldn't have said better . There must be so many coaches , athletes and parents that must feel the same
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86.139.128.124 | Sat 17th Aug 2019 - 09:50
 
Do you guys not know that there was a meeting with all coaches lol ? And then Jc Brisbane and gold star tried to hold a meeting without inviting anyone else ? .. just shows how clueless the people are on this forum you have no idea!
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94.11.103.114 | Sat 17th Aug 2019 - 10:44
 
@237 I was aware of this fact thanks πŸ˜† but again we can begin to speculate why they felt the need to do so!! As said previously ALL difference need to put aside as well as egos! The fact is people can’t put their big egos aside and do what’s best for Scottish cheerleading! If they weren’t the boss sitting at the top of the table it caused problems. I’d be the bigger person and reach out these teams again and come together and have a discussion again, we can all assume the reasons why TS won’t change the set up and I have my theories on why they don’t. It also comes down to other factors, the way it’s set up just now benefits Lisa and her cdc and Rockstar colleagues and by having the majority of the board from the same team makes it near impossible to make change within the board because they have the overwhelming majority. They also say it’s voluntary, I thought this meant you did kings without getting anything in return, that’s not the case. All the auditions money, class fees, etc etc pays for Jose coaches to go to America, whether it be accommodation or flights. So, I ask parents who allow their children to audition are you happy to buy raffles, lucky squares, attend race nights and bonus balls knowing that it help pay for the coaches to get their but you have to get your athlete and yourself there? That money raised from all of the above should go to the athletes. Don’t claim your doing in voluntary when your gaining from it!
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86.8.201.165 | Sat 17th Aug 2019 - 14:08
 
if team scotland fundraising does pay for the coaches to go over there, it's maybe a bit it picky but if your also over there with your own team your not then having to payflights at all and they will be training with their own team during the time as well, makes your own worlds a lot cheaper.
I don't know if this is the case but if i had been fundraising to help coaches go for team scotland (which is think is fair enough) thats fine but i would not want to be fundraising for them to be spending time with their own team.
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94.11.103.114 | Sat 17th Aug 2019 - 14:38
 
@239 yeah exactly! The thing is they say it’s voluntary but you are receiving a token payment for your travelling and accommodation, that’s not voluntary! The ICU is first then it’s the ISAF so fair point they’ve had there travel paid for team Scotland and now team Scotland d have paid for you to be their with your own team! I know it’s expensive enough without having to raise money for fundraising to pay for coaches to go! Again continually benefiting from the positions they hold
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148.252.129.64 | Sat 17th Aug 2019 - 14:42
 
ALL SELF GAIN ! they can't pretend anymore
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85.255.232.254 | Sat 17th Aug 2019 - 14:57
 
So you want them to have their expenses paid on the condition they don’t attend worlds the next day? As well as a ANOTHER meeting, as well as the coaches not involved to be ‘reached out to’? WOW you don’t ask for much LOL. Imagine asking any other voluntary organisation these things. I’m genuinely gobsmacked. I’ve worked for charities all my working life and this genuinely makes me laugh.
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86.8.201.165 | Sat 17th Aug 2019 - 14:58
 
if that was the case and your own team went then travel would only be any extra on the flights if they cost more than the dates your own team are going. accommodation paid only if your not coaching a team over there, if you are when they are out it's only subsidised amount and certainly does not extend the entire length of your stay. as soon as icu was over your paid your own expenses
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86.8.201.165 | Sat 17th Aug 2019 - 15:04
 
@posts242 if one of these charities you worked for sent you on a trip to do work then i think they would be miffed if they found out you had used that time/resources on your own business or job. i would personally say team scotland would pay half on flights for example but it's in the rules they have you can not gain from this
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94.11.103.114 | Sat 17th Aug 2019 - 16:06
 
Charities are laughable too! They hire and pay ridiculous amounts to so called celebrities to make ppl aware of there cause! Hence why I don’t give to charity I find someone on the streets and buy them food and a drink that way I k ow the money is going where it’s meant too!! The whole point is doing say your doing things voluntarily and accept payment whether it’s flights etc that’s personal gain! Voluntary means doing something without payment and to help people. Mistakes have been made from the beginning of Team scotland and if you look on their website and click on the voluntary jobs etc it tells you how much each person gets towards travel etc all the information I’ve found has been at a click of a button. Calculate what they offer people and times it and you’ll see it’s a lot of money. Spend that money on getting those athletes there and help bring the costs down for the successful athletes willing to fundraise for Gemayel Es to get there and those athletes don’t get a penny! Lisa doesn’t coach so does she get her flights paid for to attend to give out a trophy? They should be looking for sponsorship to help pay for costumes and training gear etc
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23.236.96.147 | Sat 17th Aug 2019 - 16:55
 
Surely they would know and be aware they can't use for personal gain, i mean like didn't the treasurer already have a run in with lawyers when she was caught trying to sell equipment bought by lottery funding to pay her own bills a few years back.
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94.11.103.114 | Sat 17th Aug 2019 - 17:33
 
@246 🀣 wouldn’t surprise me! They do know the rules but they follow whichever buys suits them at the time and turn the blind eye to everything else! That seems to be how they function
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109.181.89.181 | Sat 17th Aug 2019 - 19:14
 
Having read all comments I can’t understand why all Scottish teams can’t come together!
In doing so creating an amazing elite team of athletes,instead people are choosing to criticise those willing to stand up & be counted.
Teams such as JC & gold star would bring a lot to team Scotland however as both teams don’t seem to be involved then why knock CDC.
Having been to comps in Scotland & England CDC without question have amazing coaching staff with a wealth of experience & success.In my opinion I would be delighted for my child when old enough to compete as part of a national team.This is definitely something for children to be proud of...why any coach would stop a child participating is beyond me!!!!
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23.236.96.147 | Sat 17th Aug 2019 - 19:50
 
because some teams do not need to fall into line and work under a shady system for their athletes to be successful so choice not to be involved.
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94.11.103.114 | Sat 17th Aug 2019 - 20:40
 
It’s the CDC and Rockstar machine now, if it was fair people would be jumping at the chance to compete but it is NOT! Teams also don’t want to lose athletes to CDC coaches from getting in there ears! What coaches would want to send their athletes knowing what’s going to happen! I salute them for not sending them! TS could be amazing
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176.253.112.104 | Sat 17th Aug 2019 - 21:02
 
Omg your all embarrassing ..broken records .. violins out 🎻
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23.236.96.147 | Sat 17th Aug 2019 - 21:18
 
it's true though isn't it it, look at the starting line up for cheer then look at the kids that actually went, many pulled out along the year and kids had to be pulled in that hadn't originally got in to fill the places. if this was a national football team and the biggest pool of talent (let's not deny it the only two teams that compete at this level are goldstar and jc so therefore the majority of the best athletes in the country are going to be there for cheer anyways) you would be asking why arnt we putting our best foot forward. this will only happen once there is a fair and unbiased system in place and no one can blame these teams for staying clear of this until there is a better system. i applaud every kid that goes for this but it's a national team, it's just about giving these kids the experience it's about doing our best and not being a laughing stock when we step out of the mat because the kids arnt anywhere near ready for this level of competition
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86.183.13.180 | Sun 18th Aug 2019 - 00:07
 
Coaches are paid by weekly class fees not fundraised money. This is instead of being paid.
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94.11.103.114 | Sun 18th Aug 2019 - 05:35
 
So, Team scotland coaches are paid? Don’t advertise things as voluntary then, maybe need to look up the meaning! Broken records, lol, no merely having a open discussion about an organisation that fails to set the standard and follow rules set out. GS and JC are good as are many teams in Scotland, but these teams very rarely compete in Scotland they go down south we’re they do reasonably well! Their is many very talented athletes out there and I personally prefer a smaller programme where coaches know each athlete by name and nature. TS could be brilliant and the kids could be a force to be reckoned with but until the system is fair, coaches don’t loose their athletes, and the friends act stops, scotland doesn’t have a hope in hell! They didn’t get the response of people last weekend they were expecting because parents, athletes and coaches can see through all the politics and only the loyal ones return knowing they will make it because of that loyalty. Simple solution to it all, make it an independent board with one person per team with a vote that counts, no one should be given two positions when others were interested and they would have taken the position, everything to do with TS should be run separately from other programmes and it doesn’t happen
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86.150.69.115 | Sun 18th Aug 2019 - 08:20
 
Everyone’s got an opinion, so I hope you’ve all put in your CV’s for a board seat?! The only way to change things is from the inside out. It’s alreayd ICU recognised so not like it’s just going to go away. Apply, get in and then make these changes you seem to feel so strongly about
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5.68.206.12 | Sun 18th Aug 2019 - 10:00
 
Just want to come on here and say a massive good luck to everyone trying out today! Go out and prove everyone wrong and be the best version of you! Spread positivity not hate πŸ’—
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31.221.79.8 | Sun 18th Aug 2019 - 10:58
 
Still not unified though at the end of the day, but least some of us want to make a better team for Scotland. Why doesn’t teams like gs and Jc do the same for the country.
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94.11.103.114 | Sun 18th Aug 2019 - 11:01
 
πŸ™„ simply asking questions! Yeah, good luck people you are going to need it! I wonder how many will actually show today, at least they’ll have great own athletes to pick from as usual! Questions + action= solution
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148.252.129.77 | Sun 18th Aug 2019 - 11:19
 
Dance teams will be made up from Cdc , rockstar and Phoenix flames with the odd random here and there from other teams ! No change
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82.28.235.157 | Sun 18th Aug 2019 - 14:11
 
Reading some of the comments above, its such a shame that scotland cant all come together, i understand there is bad history with GS, JC, CDC and Rockstar but they all equally have some of Scotland's best dancers although they r not the only teams with amazing dancers so we shouldnt focus on just they teams as not giving credit to other teams.

With regards to TS coaches getting flights & accommodation paid for along with expenses, i dont have a prpblem with that as i dont think they should be out of pocket when they are doing a job. Here is what i struggle with:
All kids doing TS were charged £1000, this included 5 nights ICU package and 4 nights wyndham resort but if u break it down, 5 nights ICU package was $749 and 4 nights at Wyndham $180, including all taxes so this comes to $929 which is roughly £770 in total per person so why were all athletes charged £1000 through TS? If the athletes were charged extra to pay towards coaches then fair enough but atleast be honest and upfront about it. Also if that is what paid for coaches trip then what about all the weekly training fees, fundraising events, £10 audition fee per child? Where did that all go as parents paid for everything apart from couple t shirts and bows. And now 2020 athlete's are being charged £1200 for package, why is an already over flated price having £200 added to this along with charging parents £400 for child to be chaperoned? I would love my daughter to try out again but at these prices its too expensive, hotel prices dont increase that much for people to be charged £200 extra per person
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86.8.200.105 | Sun 18th Aug 2019 - 15:06
 
is that £1000 not including flights?
anyone know what the prices are for england, ireland and wales? ANyone know?
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82.132.217.195 | Sun 18th Aug 2019 - 15:14
 
£1000 does not include flights
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86.8.200.9 | Sun 18th Aug 2019 - 15:49
 
just did the math, with say 100 kids that went out, if the figures are correct that's 20k just there to
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81.110.79.234 | Sun 18th Aug 2019 - 16:12
 
People seem to think a massive issue is kids who are on TS joining other teams. There could be many reasons why an athlete decides to move teams - things aren’t always black and white. They ask athletes to remain with their programme for the season of TS, but if they wanted to move the following year then would it be fair to say that because they changed team they weren’t eligible to tryout for TS again? You could be passing up on many talented athletes as why should someone stay with a programme they aren’t happy with just to be on the national team? Surely athletes have a right to go to wherever they think they will receive the best training and opportunities? CDC is always going to have a high rate of people moving to it as they are one of the best teams in the Glasgow area and the girls are friendly and the coaches are approachable. If athletes have made friends with CDC athletes through TS (since the other two top Glasgow programmes aren’t involved) why would they not consider a move there if they believe it will give them opportunities they can’t currently get at their own programme - ie dance worlds.
It only seems to be in this country where moving teams is an issue. Athletes in America change gyms ALL THE TIME and no one bats an eyelid.
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94.197.120.210 | Sun 18th Aug 2019 - 16:21
 
Why haven’t cdc got there own gym yet?
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94.11.103.114 | Sun 18th Aug 2019 - 16:25
 
It’s the way they change teams and finding out coaches are putting things into their minds!! That’s the problem that’s actively chasing athletes and so morally wrong! As for the prices, that’s the problem they give to clarification on the prices and they are way over inflated! Not only this the day it’s voluntary, he really need to look up the meaning of that! Also, the problem is that coaches are using the TS paid flights to subsidise going with their own teams to worlds and that’s personal gain again!! No matter what the prices are not a true reflection on the costs and they don’t explain were all that fundraising money goes! They have filed no financial records to even have a look and see as it’s all public information. No need to charge extra on coasts to pay for the coaches to go and all fundraising should go to buy the training gear and bows and jackets, and help lower the price to allow people to actually get there!! It’s all greed
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86.183.13.180 | Sun 18th Aug 2019 - 19:38
 
£1000 covers poms costumes USASF tickets transfers and so much more
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94.11.103.114 | Sun 18th Aug 2019 - 19:44
 
Still more expensive? Do they not own the poms and give them out each year to be used, no need to be chharged if they are bought with fundraising money? Love how they post pics up to show how many people attended as if trying to prove a point 🀣 the only point they’ve made is they are trying show people that it’s a unified Scotland and people are interested, made me laugh it really has
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82.18.42.74 | Sun 18th Aug 2019 - 20:28
 
@post268 sorry but if they didn’t post any pics you’d be on here complaining just the same saying they obviously had less interest than they expected and had something to hide etc. With all of this going on here it’s even more of a reason for them to post pics and videos. Regardless of your opinion many people are obviously still happy to be involved.
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85.255.232.238 | Sun 18th Aug 2019 - 20:47
 
Just a shame will never be a true Team Scotland . Saw a few audition today that no way are near worlds level for dance
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92.30.245.183 | Sun 18th Aug 2019 - 21:15
 
Wow finally read this post after everyone telling me about it being disgusting.

I hope none of these are parents! If this was your child and you seen online ANONYMOUS comments you would tell them to ignore online cyber chat!

If you fully believe any of these comments then you would leave your name and believe in your post.

Disappointed in Scotland
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94.11.103.114 | Sun 18th Aug 2019 - 23:42
 
Team Scotland is not united!! Anyone with half a brain knows it! I fully believe in what I say, I know coaches worth their weight in gold and they won’t go near it because of the inside politics! Believe it or not that’s your choice just goes to show that lots of people are in agreement with how farcical it’s become! They had something to prove today with their numbers after last weeks drop in numbers. I’d rather stick to my own programme and my child being chosen on their own merit and hard work than being picked because it’s your own coach whose made the selection! Clearly the people with any issues with other people’s opinions are the ones who hugely benefit from their coaches managing team Scotland! I’m not disappointed in Scotland at all, just the small minded few who think they are above the rest of the fantastic coaches in Scotland I could name lots of coaches worthy of those jobs and sad to see they also see the damage Lisa and Co are creating! Their is no doubting their talented coaches that speaks for itself, however after witnessing drunken antics at Scotcheer by a certain teams coaches doesn’t actually fill me with any enthusiasm either! Bring Scotland together and get the right people involved and we’d all have a team to be proud off! Not the shambles it is
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213.205.194.153 | Mon 19th Aug 2019 - 00:43
 
I cannot believe this thread and Can’t believe admin are allowing it . I bet you all regardless of which camp your in have all once in your life stood up against bullying and mental health. What your doing is horrendous for anyone’s state of mind ,( I lost someone very close to me )(you can all hazard a guess as to who)

This is disgusting and whats worrying is your adults ! Everyone should be ashamed.
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94.11.103.114 | Mon 19th Aug 2019 - 06:53
 
No one is bullying anyone that’s ludicrous amd what’s mental health got to do with it? We all k ow or have experienced mental health at some point and it’s horrible and it’s shameful to try use that to stop an open discussion! These could have all been addressed privately but they choose to give reasons that didn’t make sense or down right refused to answer and threatened you with defamation🀣 they can’t have it both ways, they can’t have the power and ignore people for asking legitimate questions! They know that people are now questioning it and it took for it to be posted in an open forum to get there attention. They are know worries because they know what’s been happening and know the didn’t follow the correct rules or ethics. Sometimes you need to hold your hands up and say yes this mistake was made and here is how we’re going to rectify it someone mentioned before how teething problems have happened, and most of the people on this forum would agree with that, but they can’t ignore everyone or slate anyone for asking questions and having an opinion. Just a shame people have to mention bullying and mental health to claw back sympathy, they have no sympathy for the parents and athletes who are being ripped off with over inflated prices, fundraising and having no idea were it is going, enough of the let’s all feel sorry for them, I don’t and Scottish athletes and parents shouldn’t either hey should be benefiting from fundraising not the coaches who then subsidise their own worlds bids with the funding they get for team Scotland! Surely anyone can see that’s wrong?
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85.255.232.217 | Mon 19th Aug 2019 - 08:17
 
At post above , how perfectly said .its about time the president and her crew came out publicly and admitted big mistakes have been made . If they do that then maybe they will get the respect back from all that know whats going on . We will never get a true unified Scotland until they do this , and in my opinion they won't as they happy they in control and obviously they are that selfish that they don't want the true best for Scotland . In my opinion im sorry to say this but TS CHEER in particular will be eaten alive at worlds next year .
Lisa , Roz and crew I think you honestly need to get out your bubble and think of your country and not your self gain .
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94.11.103.114 | Mon 19th Aug 2019 - 08:28
 
@post275 totally agree! Had they come out and said exactly that then people would be compassionate enough to listen and say great you’ve acknowledged the problems how are you going to fix them and again listen to their explanation! They definitely need to realise treating people as if they are stupid is making them look worse. Ignorance also plays a big they hope people will stop speaking about it if they ignore emails and demands for answers, very unprofessional from a governing body!
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85.255.232.217 | Mon 19th Aug 2019 - 08:36
 
Yip
Lisa get out your bubble and get a meeting called for all coaches and sort this situation out once and for all hopefully . We all want a unified Scotland but a true one
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151.227.218.228 | Mon 19th Aug 2019 - 09:48
 
Honestly are we still talking about this. Boring and pointless !
There will never be a fully unified Scotland as certain people don’t ever want to be involved.
Claire McCreath openly admitted this at the Meeting with ICU staff over from America at the non secret meeting that everyone was invited to, in front of 30 coaches from various teams in Scotland.
Her partner in crime Joanne Carr openly said at the same meeting that their two teams were the best teams in Scotland and should be representing the country !!! No regards what so ever for the other 71 teams in Scotland.
If any of you were involved you would know everything is completely transparent.
Scotland isn’t about two teams JC and GS no one actually cares about them except them and their inflated egos, JC more than GS to be fair.
Most of the country do get on contrary to forum theories, and have supported TS for the last two years unlike the above mentioned teams. So think about that instead of slaying the people who are actually trying to be part of a national team and committee.
God help us for actually trying to do something positive without the permission of JC and GS drift they thought of it first and failed .......
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82.28.178.134 | Mon 19th Aug 2019 - 09:52
 
Again as I said above hiding behind a screen on a public forum but wanting answers πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚

It seems the be same 2 IP addresses so leave your name and then you can start getting your answers. Or even better contact through proper channels they way you should be doing.

At no point would any Organisation have to explain how they run to anyone apart from ICU never mind come on a forum where people can say what they want without any explanation at all, just to satisfy your need for attention and reply to every post?

Where exactly are you expecting anything to be said? Social media? But then if that was done it would be you saying ‘how unprofessional to write things on social media I wanted a personal response’
Would you contact any other organisation and expect to have a public reply to your questions?

You could write on this forum black is white, just because you are saying it doesn’t make it true!
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130.209.49.202 | Mon 19th Aug 2019 - 09:59
 
This post is the most ridiculous thing I have ever read…

As someone whom is on the SCS Board and a member of the Cheer and Dance community in Scotland for over 20 years as a coach and dancer with Champion Dance & Cheer - I am gob smacked!

SCS has been set-up in line with the ICU statutes provided and was open to all coaches from the very beginning, and to this day – is still open to all coaches. The country requires a federation to even start aligning the views and goals of the coaches, athletes and broader cheer and dance community in Scotland. Regardless of who is the president, vice-president, who has seats on the board etc, there will always be differences in opinion – we live in a democracy and it’s just the way of the world that we live in today.

Personally, I would love to see more coaches step forward with views and solutions to move forward. There are various board seats available at the moment, one of which is the Glasgow City Council seat, which I am sure will cover many coaches’ area. That being said, everyone has their own personal lives and commitments, therefore if a coach cannot commit to a space on the board, the SCS inbox is always an option to submit suggestions or send in a query.

The truth of the matter is, the SCS staff respond to emails within the inbox as quickly as possible, baring in mind that everyone involved has their own Allstar team to run, additional full-time jobs out with the crazy world of Cheerleading, family lives etc. Regardless of who is on the board etc, this will always be the case – I don’t see anyone dropping their full-time job or personal life for that role.

SCS is the recognised governing body for Scotland by ICU and ECU, however Team Scotland is a separate branch of SCS. SportCheer Scotland’s goals are to progress cheerleading, provide opportunities for teams and athletes etc, however there is a lot of work required to ensure that the structure is fully operational and of course, getting the broader cheer and dance community on board. As I have said above, there are board seats available at the moment, please come forward! If coaches stepped forward with suggestions for improvement etc through the appropriate channels, they would of course be taken on board and actioned at the appropriate meetings. In short, a list of anonymous posts on a forum is not the platform for it in my opinion. Those who truly wish to progress this sport and air their views will contact SCS or join the board.

With regards to Team Scotland, I have no doubt that there are many talented coaches and athletes across Scotland that would be an asset to the National Team that have not stepped forward for various reasons. I think everyone in this industry deserves a chance to progress and experience World’s – it is the pinnacle moment in most people’s cheer and dance career. Goldstar and JC have been mentioned various times on this thread – I personally respect Claire and Jade as coaches, they own very successful Cheer and Dance gyms, and I believe they would be an asset if they were to step forward for Team Scotland. That being said, they have not stepped forward – and that is okay. Only those close to them will know their reasons, however it could simply be that they are too busy with their Allstar team schedule. Furthermore, there are many talented coaches and athletes in Scotland, therefore I think it is unfair to constantly bring up these two Allstar teams. There are so many talented athletes and coaches in Scotland, they all deserve a chance and should not be discredited.

This forum is open for anonymous comments; however I don’t think its purpose should be to discredit teams, coaches and athletes. Some of the comments above could be considered as cyber bulling, I agree? Everyone is entitled to their opinions; however I think there is a way of delivering them and some of the posts above truly shock me. I would hate to think that anybody spoke about your family, coaches or fellow athletes in that manner.

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213.205.241.108 | Mon 19th Aug 2019 - 09:59
 
This is boring now ! Voice your concerns to Team Scotland direct . As a coach who had athletes from my program tryout I have no concerns what so ever . All team Scotland staff are very approachable and all the athletes were so excited it was so nice to see them all coming together and that’s what it’s all about .
If programs don’t want their athletes to tryout them that’s their choice , however this is boring now , if coaches at other programs don’t want to be involved then why all this drama .
Let everyone get on with it . I for one am looking forward to see the progression this year for these athletes.
The friends/relationships our athletes have with other teams now is lovely to see .
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5.64.92.127 | Mon 19th Aug 2019 - 10:09
 
From the sounds of this thread there will be a lot of new recruits for the SCS everyone seems to know how to do things better
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94.11.103.114 | Mon 19th Aug 2019 - 10:47
 
Actually laughable 🀣🀣 seems Lisa has her minions to do her speaking for her! You have done nothing but address TS but not how CDC and Rockstar benefit from that! The board was set up to be fair and have transparency that’s not the case at all! You don’t follow the rules or the ethics you set out. Secondly I take it as a board member do you benefit from going to worlds each year or to you pay that yourself! You must see that the board is unfair and that CDC/ Rockstar will always have the majority vote placing them with an advantage to vote things through that suit them. It’s as simple as saying we’ve made mistakes and this is what’s being done to if those mistakes! Coaches etc don’t come forward because of the set up, take your rose tinted glasses off and realise you need to change the set up and the way things are done. If I thought I’d get a fair chance to sit on that board as a volunteer I would, I’m not your usual parent and I think a lot differently than other people and I’m certainly not a YES person, who will agree to anything to keep the peace and remain in my seat! Changes at Team scotland need to be made, the problem with making yourself public is that then you get threatened by so called lawyers for defamation, scare tactics at best! Lisa needs to come down off that pedestal she’s out herself on and do something instead of reaping the rewards
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82.28.178.134 | Mon 19th Aug 2019 - 11:21
 
Yes very laughable!!

So instead of going through the right channels as a parent you think you should bring yourself to a forum where you can hide behind your screen not leave your name because you are saying you don’t want legal action taking against you? No you don’t want to leave your name because you just keeping talking and going in circles with yourself in your many many posts above and you do not want any actual result out of this apart from trying put down SCS, Team Scotland and Lisa.

Are you the only person allowed to post what they think? The minute someone replies something that you don’t agree with it’s ‘Lisa and her minions’. For being a ‘parent’ you seem to be very involved in how everything works? Confused as to what rewards Lisa is apparently receiving, again you know quite a lot for being ‘not your usual parent’

As the post above gives you information on how things are being followed etc but again you clearly don’t want to hear that your obsessed with Lisa and putting her down?

Cyber attacks are the way to go about things? Hope that’s not what your teaching your child!
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86.31.50.9 | Mon 19th Aug 2019 - 11:29
 
As a parent of a child who has just tried out for the first time yesterday, I thought I’d do some research online and gather information.....let’s just say I won’t be looking here again for it. This thread has left me feeling deflated and my child hasn’t even been selected yet 😩
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kayemm (165) | Mon 19th Aug 2019 - 11:36
 
@post285 DO NOT let these posts put you off. I know many girls who have had incredible experiences with Team Scotland and have tried out this weekend for the second and third times. Their parents are perfectly happy with how things are run. The girls have made friends from teams all across Scotland.
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Jen (1892) | Mon 19th Aug 2019 - 11:38
 
Firstly I am a Team Scotland coach for the 2019/2020 season but by no means do I speak on behalf of SCS or the National Team Committee.

As Jenni said many of us have jobs out with cheer and personally my job relies on me maintaining my professional registration. If we as coaches were in some way seeking financial gain, acting against the by laws, acting unprofessionally in selecting teams etc etc I would be at risk of breaching my Institutions code of conduct, I would have been out the door in a flash! Equally I think it is fair to get travel expenses covered for the trip, I don't even think the travel dates cover all-star world's this year, personally will be home asap as I want to minimize the unpaid leave I am using (yes that's right I am actually out of pocket but not complaining I signed up for this)

I have been part of Rockstar since day one but have had nothing to do with their world's programme (I'm not a dance person) nor have I had anything to do with Team Scotland since I compete last in 2008. I have found the process of selecting both coaches and athletes to be fair, non-bias towards teams and about getting the best (who applied) from our country together to put our best foot forward. On top of that the goal is to give athletes a positive experience, help grown our sport and create a respectful, supportive relationship between teams.

Last year I watched the teams and thought maybe I could have helped with this or that but couldn't critisize as I hadn't put myself forward and didn't know what had happened in the run up to performances etc. I have so much respect for the coaches last year and also for Claire and Jade, they are all very successful and I wouldn't dream of comparing myself to them. But what I am is this year's coach because I applied and was selected through a voting process, and I assure you I will put everything I've got into making this team the best they can be !!

I have first hand experience of being welcomed as an outsider into the National Team and any ideas I have put forward have been taken seriously. I would really encourage anyone to apply for the board positions or coaching jobs next year as there truly is an opportunity to make a change to the processes.

Please don't confuse my affiliation with Rockstar as being close or or even knowing well any of the committee including Lisa beyond seeing them at competitions or again when I compete with them on team Scotland 12 years ago - hardly relationships that would show me any special treatment!
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94.11.103.114 | Mon 19th Aug 2019 - 11:43
 
🀣🀣🀣🀣 pmsl! They’ve had plenty of opportunity to be in correspondence with me and she refused to continue as I was asking too many questions she didn’t like! I only posted my opinion on the forum to get there attention and I did, the only person avoiding anything or going round in circles is them not me! My child has been taught respect, to work hard, don’t follow the crowd and stand up for what’s right! We are all going to disagree but lots of people seem to agree that it’s not being run correctly
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176.253.112.104 | Mon 19th Aug 2019 - 11:47
 
Your not getting a response because you’ve clearly said your not willing to reveal who you are so why the hell would they email you back? 🀣🀣 your an actual nut job
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94.11.103.114 | Mon 19th Aug 2019 - 11:56
 
No the nut jobs are the ones who believe everything they are told 🀣 getting no response because she knows what she’s doing is wrong and all her loyalist are jumping up and down getting their knickers in a twist because we dare question her ethics! Get your heads out the clouds and see sense! She could tell you she’s god and you’d fall at her feet praying 🀣🀣
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176.253.112.104 | Mon 19th Aug 2019 - 12:00
 
OMG your obsessed🀣🀣🀣 this is hilarious
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82.28.178.134 | Mon 19th Aug 2019 - 12:09
 
Lots of people agree? You not aware that your IP address shows next to your posts?πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚. You have jumped onto a post about coaches for what your own personal gain?

So if you look back through this and read all the posts from your IP address it’s hilarious your post @199 reply’s to stuff you have said in @183 which has a different IP address so what you got your phone and computer set up replying from different devices to make it look worse?

Slow day at work today so this has been interesting and made my morning pass!

Oh and you say your ‘daughter’ is old enough next year so thinking about auditioning but then change to you have issues after last year hahahahahaha what one is it?

Don’t think you have thought this through at all πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚

Your not giving your name because even you don’t know what your story is πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚
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94.11.103.114 | Mon 19th Aug 2019 - 12:11
 
Ahahaha obsessed I am not! Intrigued as to why there is a wall of silence when you ask for clarity! Not exactly professional response from a international organisation🀣🀣
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94.11.103.114 | Mon 19th Aug 2019 - 12:12
 
🀣🀣🀣🀣🀣🀣
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82.28.178.134 | Mon 19th Aug 2019 - 12:14
 
Just laughing faces ? Take it you didn’t know about the IP address then πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚
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94.11.103.114 | Mon 19th Aug 2019 - 12:16
 
You can try and discredit my opinion just makes me laugh and continue to make people wake up and smell the bloody coffee! All info I’ve found is at the click of a button and by speaking to parent/coaches and athletes who have participated and see the flaws! Carry on slating me while certain people rub their hands all the way to the bank!!! 🀣🀣🀣 Lisa’s minions out to protect their “queen”!! Absolute disgrace 😱
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176.253.112.104 | Mon 19th Aug 2019 - 12:17
 
This muppets forgot all her IPs are linking her to the same place ! GOLDEN absolute golden 🀣🀣 your life must be very dull
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213.205.194.153 | Mon 19th Aug 2019 - 12:26
 
It’s clear this woman as a personal vendetta, it’s a shame she’s trying to drag everyone else down. Can you imagine someone was doing this to her daughter !
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82.28.178.134 | Mon 19th Aug 2019 - 12:28
 
If that’s your opinion then that’s your opinion but you have came on to a public forum and even you don’t know what your story is!

Everything is a learning curve so I am sure SCS already have changed from last year

You wanted answers again to what, because you said your daughter is old enough next year so you haven’t turned up to a meeting which they offered to talk through things? you apparently have not had anything to do with SCS (well that was one version of the story) yet have a major issue with it?

Again with the Lisas minions what because it’s not your opinion? Not sure why it’s either your side or Lisa's can people not comment on how they see things

Confused again why you have such an issue for people who are putting themselves forward and on the board/coaching. As a parent so you know these aren’t the right people? Again you said at one point your new to this (another version) but yet have such a major issue.

I have came in for a read and simply pointed things out as I see it because it’s a shame that you have so much hatred and trying your best to put down someone and the SCS organisation they way you are.

But again as I stated previously and you have ignored you it seems clear you haven’t been aware of the IP address next to your comments and the other IP you used!
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82.29.6.35 | Mon 19th Aug 2019 - 12:34
 
If you are so sure you know all the facts and know the ins and outs and everything else you claim to know why would you have such an issue identifying yourself ? Surely being so confident, trying to bad mouth people you have all evidence to back up your story so why hide behind a forum? What are you actually achieving from causing so much negativity on a forum? A question you should really ask yourself before your next pathetic post.
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213.205.241.65 | Mon 19th Aug 2019 - 12:53
 
@post296 .... Taxi for IP 114. We have your number your time is up πŸ˜†πŸ˜†πŸ˜†
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94.11.103.114 | Mon 19th Aug 2019 - 13:02
 
Carry on folks!! Corruption at its best, the hounds have been released! Get back in your cages! Have no issue people seeing their kids along however at least tell them your ripping them off!! Corrupt corrupt corrupt and they don’t like people know it’s so hilarious only pathetic person here is YOU! Your probably one of the ones benefiting from it 🀣
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151.227.218.228 | Mon 19th Aug 2019 - 13:15
 
114 name yourself talk about cowardly ..... yellow belly ! No one cares
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82.28.178.134 | Mon 19th Aug 2019 - 13:17
 
Again how do you know it’s corrupt your daughter is of age next year and you haven’t been part of it yet?
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151.227.218.228 | Mon 19th Aug 2019 - 13:17
 
She’s doesn’t she’s clutching onto her Pom Poms
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82.28.178.134 | Mon 19th Aug 2019 - 13:18
 
Oh sorry is it another version of your story you want to talk about this time?
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85.255.232.108 | Mon 19th Aug 2019 - 13:19
 
Im a champion dance and cheer mum, i cannot fault lisa, the cdc coaches or the way they run CDC. My daughter has came on leaps and bounds since joining and no children (i have spoke to 2 kids parents who have moved over) have been "poached" My daughter was lucky enough to be in team scotland last year, has applied again this year and are nervous like every other kid about getting in. I will more than likely be paying for a chaperone as i cant leave my other 2 kids at home for a second time to do disney. The 400 for a chaperone over 8 days works out at £50 a day. I pay £46 a day for my son to be in nursery 10 hours. The trip is now over the easter holidays so obviously the prices will go up for accomadation
As forThe extra practice at rockstars with Roz. This was something i asked Roz about. I asked if my daughter could come for extra training as her classes had started back and asked if she minded me saying to a couple of other mums. I know other gyms were accepting other kids to go for extra practice from teams that hadnt started there season yet. The fact is these guys arent hiding it. Theyre putting it on social media. Our kids left buzzing but with no guarantess!! The coaches do have expenses covered for America, however some of them are self employed and arent making there full salary while they are away. They also use there holidays from there full time jobs instead of going on holiday with there families! I think this whole thread has became a complete joke. Its horrible its hurtful and its damn right nasty! Keyboard warriors at there worst!
Thanks for reading
Carol-Anne (emmas mum)!!!
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85.255.232.108 | Mon 19th Aug 2019 - 13:25
 
Also just want to add she has worked her ass off to get her J4 skill like the other girls from last year who tried out!!
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94.11.103.114 | Mon 19th Aug 2019 - 13:47
 
Why is expenenses covered for a TS but your benefiting from subsidising it from your own team? You shouldn’t be using funding for you to go with your own team your there as a Team scotland coach and should be with them
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188.29.165.135 | Mon 19th Aug 2019 - 13:54
 
@post309 I think we’ve all learned what a spineless nitwit you are, but by all means, please go on and tell us exactly how the CDC/Phoenix coaches are benefitting?! Do you have proof that Team Scotland paid for the extra time they need In Orlando for USASF? Or are you throwing your toys out of the pram because Team Scotland is paying a flight for them, just like they would for any non-USASF coach. Do you have any proof that Karen and Lisa’s flights weren’t split between Phoenix and Team Scot?? Literally why do you think you know the inner workings of this when it’s very clear you’re clueless
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188.29.165.135 | Mon 19th Aug 2019 - 13:58
 
@post309 and further, why do you think those coaches should not receive the same expenses that the non-USASF world’s coaches get?? They’ve given just as much unpaid labour to Team Scotland, why should children from their private business be picking up the tab?!
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176.253.112.104 | Mon 19th Aug 2019 - 14:02
 
folks we are talking to an idiot here there’s no point even trying to explain to this weapon she won’t ever get it . It’s wasted breathe let her run to the ICU they will probably enjoy shutting her down . Well of course if she can come clean to them what team she’s affiliated with πŸ™„πŸ™„
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94.11.103.114 | Mon 19th Aug 2019 - 14:09
 
🀣🀣🀣🀣 Carry on peeps! CDC crew on the prowl! My child’s team has more integrity than those teams out together and the coach and coaching staff know their kids by name and nature! Would rather be affiliated with the right kind of team than the greedy self absorbed kind who have pound signs in their eyes
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94.11.103.114 | Mon 19th Aug 2019 - 14:11
 
Also, the reason I have an issue with them getting their travel etc paid is they are there as part of TS not with their affiliated team and also claim it’s voluntary, voluntary is doing things with getting paid for it or gaining from it so not exactly voluntary is itπŸ™„πŸ€”
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kayemm (165) | Mon 19th Aug 2019 - 14:16
 
@post313 I'm sure the coach of the team you won't name wouldn't be pleased that you are posting on this thread if she knew.
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176.253.112.104 | Mon 19th Aug 2019 - 14:23
 
Enter to google - “do volunteers get paid”

Answer - .”You are not paid for your time as a volunteer, but you may get money to cover expenses. This is usually limited to food, drink, travel or any equipment you need to buy.”
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213.205.241.54 | Mon 19th Aug 2019 - 14:43
 
I think it's pretty clear from both this thread and several others most people's issues is the president, so maybe if she stepped down people would come forward and unite, as they would feel it is fairer. Surely if it's for the good of the sport in Scotland then she would happily do so.
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82.28.178.134 | Mon 19th Aug 2019 - 14:44
 
Yes your right your team is the only one that knows there kids by name and nature πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚. Every other team knows nothing about their athletes wow you are starting to sound even more deluded than I originally thought

Even more of a show that this is a personal issue you have even though your daughter is not old enough bla bla bla and you haven’t had anything to do with them yet / this is issues from last year / your not coming forward about you name because legal actions
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82.28.178.134 | Mon 19th Aug 2019 - 14:45
 
This is all confusing keeping up with what your issue is πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚
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176.253.112.104 | Mon 19th Aug 2019 - 14:45
 
I wouldn’t agree with that based on the amount of teams who are backing TS..
There is more for team Scotland than against team Scotland .@post318
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176.253.112.104 | Mon 19th Aug 2019 - 14:45
 
My mistake my above post is in reply to @317
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94.11.103.114 | Mon 19th Aug 2019 - 15:03
 
🀣🀣🀣🀣 there is so much wrong with Team scotland they’re confusing themselves and everyone around them! Your loyalty is inspiring! My views are mine and mine alone, I knew the pack would attack eventually lol to be fair I don’t think Lisa should step down I think she could do better and making her board more open and not give one or two teams the majority! You can’t expect other teams to follow the rules you set out but then fail to follow them yourself! Remove that it’s a voluntary position and state that funding is used to pay for the coaches and board to attend the event and also help subsidise their own travel with their own teams! If your happy to pay more than you should (prices are inflated again this year) nothing rises by £200 in a year, and pay for all those bonus balls, squares and race nights etc to fund your coaches go for it more fool you! That money should go to the athletes training gear, costumes, poms, jackets etc and that leaves just the travel and accommodation for the athletes and families! If none of you can see more can be done to help support your athletes represent your country! Ok, cheer not in the same league as footie but don’t see them having to pay to represent their country or other sports athletes who get FUNDED to represent their country! If these coaches wanted a united scotland they would bend over backwards to achieve it and leave egos to the side and get certain coaches involved and resolve whatever personal issues there is! Fundraising for team scotland is advertised as getting the team to America when in facts it’s paying for coaches to go and not the athletes participating
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176.253.112.104 | Mon 19th Aug 2019 - 15:09
 
Where is your information that coaches are paid from the athletes fundraising money ? That is completely false information absolutely no fundraising money was spent on coaches . I can vouch for this as I played a part as did many parents with the fundraising .

Yes other sports get FUNDED that’s because they are a legitimate recognised sport . Cheerleading is not in Scotland hence why SCS has been set up to get EVERYONE in Scotland benefits by cheerleading becoming a sport . If SCS get cheerleading recognised as a sport in Scotland then EVERYONES club will benefit as they will all be able to apply for better funding .

This just shows how really clueless you are
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176.253.112.104 | Mon 19th Aug 2019 - 15:11
 
I’m sure most can agree that they have likely applied and failed numerous times for funding from various businesses and more often than not they come back to say “cheerleading is not a registered sport”

This will all change when SCS get us the recognition we deserve .

Now let them do their job
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176.253.112.104 | Mon 19th Aug 2019 - 15:13
 
Oh and another thing you are Infact wrong about the increase in price . Just like everything things get more expensive each year
- the exchange rate is the worse it’s ever been
- the comp package has increased
- flights have increased
- accommodation has increased
- the cost of gyms in Florida to train has increased


We are all aware of that and happy to still do it . If your not fine but don’t come on here constantly trying to boycott it for others
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94.11.103.114 | Mon 19th Aug 2019 - 15:39
 
Let’s give them a pat on the back for the job they’ve done!!! Not! They don’t serve it in my opinion, so where is the fundraising money spent? I see no athlete who actually benefited from it! So let’s hear how that money is spent? Considering their is no accounts posted with companies house so can’t see what was raised and what wasn’t since team scotland was registered with! 🀣 simple questions yet so many different answers given by everyone except the one person who was asked outright 🀣🀣
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85.255.233.47 | Mon 19th Aug 2019 - 15:49
 
Think you need answer publicly Lisa. I also know of someone who questioned the fundraising and where the money went and was told there was no books !!!!!
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213.205.194.153 | Mon 19th Aug 2019 - 15:49
 
Hmm so now your back to saying you were involved last year? Otherwise how would you know what the athletes received and where the money went?

Why the hell would the sportcheer Scotland president come on to a forum to answer you 🀣
If you want her to take you serious then give her the answers that you refuse to give her ? Take her up on the offer and go for a meeting ?

Honestly you are pathetic
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213.205.194.153 | Mon 19th Aug 2019 - 15:51
 
@post327,

They don’t have to provide books until they have been going for one year which is just around the corner so why not wait until that is provided before making false assumptions
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213.205.241.81 | Mon 19th Aug 2019 - 16:16
 
πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚ do you want to tell us version of your story you are on now?

Because why fundraising would concern you when your daughter hasn’t been on the team yet is weird and how you would know that no one benefitted is strange?

It’s not that it’s a simple question when it’s nothing to do with you! Had your daughter been part of the team fundraiser and not had a penny then yes I am sure you concerns would be valid ... do you want to find another IP address and post that you daughter was on the team and we can start a different story and argument for you?

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94.11.103.114 | Mon 19th Aug 2019 - 16:23
 
My daughter may not have been part of it but I certainly did take part buying squares etc and I think it’s valid I ask lol
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82.33.250.226 | Mon 19th Aug 2019 - 16:33
 
The team got a breakdown of what they got if you were not part of it you would not receive one. How many times do all of us contribute to fundraisers / charity’s etc ? We don’t go looking for explanations left right and centre
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94.11.103.114 | Mon 19th Aug 2019 - 17:05
 
I don’t ever give direct to charities as they mismanage funds also! Go
Find a homeless person and buy them food and drink! Love a loyal
defender🀣 it is what it is like my opinion or hate it! I don’t give a toss, people of Scotland aren’t stupid and soon they will realise that people are gaining from them rather than help get the full team!
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213.205.241.81 | Mon 19th Aug 2019 - 17:05
 
So because you bought a square on what I guess a football card or something similar you feel you should be given a breakdown of a teams fundraising πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚

Are you actually joking now
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213.205.241.74 | Mon 19th Aug 2019 - 17:19
 
IP 114
I think you’ll find your losing the battle here love. Go take a yoga class and calm yourself down.
Your actually arguing with yourself now and making yourself look extremely unintelligent, or you have extreme attack of forgetfulness, because your on repeat repeat repeat repeat repeat....... bored yet ? So are we, enjoy you evening with your child who hasn’t applied yet for TS and get off this forum
Amount of hours spent here versus amount spent with your child 😱bad mother problems
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213.205.241.5 | Mon 19th Aug 2019 - 23:25
 
I was part of the fundraising committee the Team Scotland coaches fees were NOT paid from fundraising. Funds were split between those athletes who participated in the fundraiser, they all got cash back towards their trip.
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5.69.121.179 | Tue 20th Aug 2019 - 08:48
 
🀣🀣🀣🀣 back in your kennels!!! Obviously rattled a few cages! Keep making people out to be stupid! Selections of teams will be interesting 🀣🀣 I bet know they’ll have picked a more diverse team after this forum! I won’t be silenced either and certainly won’t be disappearing.....it’s only just begun 🀣
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213.205.241.22 | Tue 20th Aug 2019 - 08:58
 
For SCS and everything that goes with that to be taken seriously and with respect people connected to it should not be posting on this forum.

I'm appalled at some of the things being said to this woman, regardless of right or wrong. Right now mortified to be Scottish! People have their opinions, let them have it. Don't then attack and continue this circus!!! Right now the rest of the UK are laughing, and rightfully so!!

Let's face it Scotland is not unified, far from it!! So how about everyone attempts to fix the problem rather than adding fuel to the fire!!
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85.255.232.202 | Tue 20th Aug 2019 - 09:54
 
So u have a huge bee in your bonnet and can spout your mouth on here because it's an anonymous place for you to comment?!? But no ballsy enough to say who you are. If you were a parent on my team I would be disgusted and embarrassed by your comments. Go through the proper channels and get the answers u so feel u need.

I'm going to put it out there that I dont think your a parent but a coach of a team as a parent wouldnt be so involved in bringing down and tearing apart TS
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94.197.121.180 | Tue 20th Aug 2019 - 10:36
 
@post337 laughable & even more clueless every time!! I am pretty sure the National Team is NOT going to picked based on what nonsense is said on this forum!!
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5.69.121.179 | Tue 20th Aug 2019 - 11:23
 
I’m not a coach 🀣 just a parent with view that others don’t like and as soon as you say something that dates questions their coaches and the legitimate running of the TS organisation they attack like a pack of wolves!! If I was to say who I am then it opens up problems for my child! My views are mine and mine alone, but if I can open at least a couple of peoples eyes to the legality of all the nonsense! The fact is it is NOT being run correctly and simple changes would rectify it and they refuse to do so as it would mean they have to give up some power something they refuse to do! As for having three balls to say it outright, the people who know me know I’m the one person you don’t want to get into a face to face confrontation because you won’t win! I’m open to all other opinions and simple clarification of facts and make people understand then they’d have more people on there side! This parent has a backbone and don’t need an army behind me to attack no one bring it on I back down from nothing And I firmly believe changes need to be made to make Scotland amazing
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148.252.128.244 | Tue 20th Aug 2019 - 11:29
 
I think you need watch and stop retaliating to this person , she may have mental health problems , i actually am shocked so many of you posting back to her to retaliate
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5.69.121.179 | Tue 20th Aug 2019 - 11:33
 
Emmm.....mental health issues I don’t have thank you very much and shame on you for trying to stigmatise someone! I’m entitled to my opinion and I’ll voice it when and if I see fit ! Mental
Health issues 🀣🀣🀣
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151.227.218.228 | Tue 20th Aug 2019 - 12:06
 
I agree let’s all boycott this feed it’s white noise Zzzzzzzzzzz
A fanatical lunatic who is absolutely a Coach shame on you ! And that sounds like a threat in your last post, I would be very careful this doesn’t get taken to the police.
Do yourself a favour and STOP before it’s too late
@post343 if you have 3 balls as you say, prove it, reveal yourself, you will get a lot more respect because right now everyone really is laughing at you
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2.217.0.65 | Tue 20th Aug 2019 - 12:23
 
People are laughing at all of you! This is shameful! And certainly isn't doing Scotland any good!
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92.30.245.183 | Tue 20th Aug 2019 - 12:55
 
@338

So someone is coming on a public forum and trying their up most best to destroy SCS, Team Scotland and everything people are trying to build and work for, and anyone who has ever been involved or still involved, had a child in the team who they couldn’t be prouder of their experience, all of these people have to stand back and allow this to happen?

This person is posting really for everyone else to read and assume what this Coach or Parent is saying is correct? I think not! If you are big enough to have your say then you need to expect people to reply. As you will see from the thread there are a few parents commenting saying they are disappointed as they wanted their child to be part of it from what they are saying. If you feel they shouldn’t be replying that is your opinion however in my opinion these people have the right to defend their organisation as there is no way of regulating any of the accusations posted on here.

You may be ‘mortified’ to be Scottish but thank god some people are clearly standing up to this troll and defending the organisation. Someone who has gone out their way to use different IP addresses etc to try take them down they should be the one who is mortified at their behaviour.
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213.205.194.153 | Tue 20th Aug 2019 - 13:21
 
Hold on so your now also IP 179🀣🀣🀣🀣 how many IPS on this one thread are you using ! So funnyyyy
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2.217.0.65 | Tue 20th Aug 2019 - 13:23
 
It's simple if no one had replied in the first place then this thread wouldn't be active! Your goading it with horrific comments, and encouraging reply after reply. It's tit for tat and complete childish behaviour. If SCS is meant to be a serious and official governing body then don't call people "bad mum's", "fanatic lunatics", and talk about mental health like it's a cold you catch all over a public forum.

Be professional, be official, because all your doing is making matters worse. And it doesn't make the organisation look good at all.
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94.118.40.51 | Tue 20th Aug 2019 - 13:25
 
Grow up the fucking lot of you your all a joke! Team scotland is the most corrupt organisation out! Lisa’s time as President will be up soon enough! Cdc and Rockstar need to pull up there socks and realise that they are lying and running team Scotland into the ground! Run along you loyal bunch of twats. The fun has just begun and it will keep going on until they stop lying
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92.30.245.183 | Tue 20th Aug 2019 - 13:38
 
Going through this thread though and yes it is tit for tat however it looks like over a week of abuse from whoever this person is on the posting coach or mum or whoever

i agree anyone who supports it has the right to share there opinion god knows who is posting what as not many names have been left but proud of the few names came on with the facts to show anyone reading the post as this person clearly has a personal vandetta against what looks like Lisa

They have obviously found out and had to set facts right, is it the best way on a forum no however how else are they supposed to deal with it on here with people reading it?

Whoever is manning this forum should be the ones ashamed personals names / children’s names and everything in this its disgusting
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5.69.121.179 | Tue 20th Aug 2019 - 16:29
 
Wonder why CDC and Rockstar aren’t registered with companies houseπŸ€”πŸ€”
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213.205.241.25 | Tue 20th Aug 2019 - 16:52
 
🎣
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5.69.121.179 | Tue 20th Aug 2019 - 17:27
 
πŸ€”πŸ€”πŸ€£πŸ€”πŸ€”
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90.203.150.111 | Tue 20th Aug 2019 - 19:42
 
What’s companies house ?
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213.205.241.5 | Tue 20th Aug 2019 - 20:02
 
Companies House is only if you choose to Make your business Ltd to protect yourself from going bankrupt and not being personally liable. Lots of businesses do not feel the need to have the protection of being a ltd company
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92.26.127.78 | Tue 20th Aug 2019 - 21:33
 
Get a grip!! I can only think of one reason why anyone would hate against their countries team and that is jealousy or hatred. Leave this thread now and let the athletes do what they do best.
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5.69.121.179 | Wed 21st Aug 2019 - 07:42
 
Aye get corrupted 🀣 same old bunch who have no morals or ethics! Down with tausney and her corrupt organisation! Brainwashing at its best lol
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82.43.90.99 | Wed 21st Aug 2019 - 08:42
 
I personally think they team Scotland needs the likes of goldstars and Jc to be the best cheer team they can be. For this country that’s just my opinion. I’m all for the other girls doing well but gs and Jc is where most of the higher talent is again my personal opinion. And with all this drama I can see why they wouldn’t want this involved in there respective programmes.
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5.69.121.179 | Wed 21st Aug 2019 - 13:56
 
They didn’t take part because they weren’t in agreement with how it was run! Doesn’t matter where the talent is as long as the system is fair, their are athletes at every programme who are talented and would do extremely well as long as they were given a fair chance! They won’t bring it back to the table for GS and JC to get involved it’s a power struggle that certain teams don’t want to give up
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94.197.121.154 | Thu 22nd Aug 2019 - 16:00
 
I don’t blame Jc or gs for not wanting involved in this!! These teams have well respected teams and they obviously do not want it tarnish with all the drama.
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5.69.121.179 | Thu 22nd Aug 2019 - 17:19
 
Agreed! Being involved would tar them with the same brush as they rest of this so called management
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85.255.232.37 | Thu 22nd Aug 2019 - 23:30
 
I can see why they both don't want involved with all the rubbish above , they too professional for that . Both run really successful teams without being involved in drama like Ts
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92.40.249.5 | Fri 23rd Aug 2019 - 18:47
 
I feel as though ts would benefit from Jc and goldstars help esp with Claire. Doing some choreography. These teams do well every year with there own choreography.
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5.69.121.179 | Fri 23rd Aug 2019 - 20:40
 
Lisa and Roz’s ego won’t allow it! They haven’t listened to anything anyone has said because they know they will have to admit they’ve made mistakes! Roz should lose one of the coaches positions and give it to the person who was refused (even if more guidance and support is needed) or ask the person who withdrew to reconsider! Corruption is the name of the game with Team Scotland and they’ll do all they can to retain power
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148.252.128.215 | Fri 23rd Aug 2019 - 21:49
 
Roz should not have 2 teams it's disgraceful especially if a Scottish coach was turned down and does anyone know why the other pulled out ???
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176.252.243.205 | Fri 23rd Aug 2019 - 21:56
 
Think it was electric candy coach who was turned down ..shame
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80.2.111.222 | Fri 23rd Aug 2019 - 22:12
 
Everyone knows Claire jade or Joanne would be better than Rox surely they can’t be turned down
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213.205.241.84 | Fri 23rd Aug 2019 - 22:21
 
Roz couldn’t even be arsed going to try outs. If she knew she was on holiday why was it scheduled when she was away especially with her having two teams. Getting people to do all the work already typical Roz. Talks the talk but can’t actually be arsed to walk the walk
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85.255.235.57 | Fri 23rd Aug 2019 - 22:44
 
That's bad then as electric candy coach got years experience , that's why they starting new level 4/5 classes obviously as TS have rejected them . Nicola probably put them in their place and they didn't like it .
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89.241.186.232 | Fri 23rd Aug 2019 - 22:51
 
Why speculate and start rumours?
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90.208.245.151 | Fri 23rd Aug 2019 - 22:54
 
Nicola is a fantastic coach with years of experience - she started the alternative level 4/5 classes not because of rejection but to support athletes across Scotland who dont have access to level 4/5 teams and can't afford TS to train at a higher level. I think its a great idea and support her x
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151.230.103.168 | Fri 23rd Aug 2019 - 23:07
 
Does Roz have a level 4 or 5 team ?
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90.208.245.151 | Fri 23rd Aug 2019 - 23:08
 
she has a level 3 team at Rockstar
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80.2.111.222 | Fri 23rd Aug 2019 - 23:23
 
If they want to be lvl 4/5 then they can easily go to gs I recently watched there lvl 4 at the tv superhero competition and it was fantastic
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151.230.103.168 | Fri 23rd Aug 2019 - 23:27
 
Roz has level 3 who she trains weekly?! But then gets a job on the national team to coach a level & 2 levels up to athletes she doesn’t know and has to train in less than a year

Please give Scotland a chance & give these teams to coaches who coach these levels weekly

Absolute power trip at its best
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89.241.186.232 | Fri 23rd Aug 2019 - 23:30
 
Not saying they were amazing but I'm sure rockstar were level 4 for a long time then maybe went level 5 for a season
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148.252.128.251 | Fri 23rd Aug 2019 - 23:33
 
Roz has no interest in athletes , not even at tryouts , says it all
, who would coach a team ( Especially a national team ) and not even be at tryouts ???
All for self gain !
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151.230.103.168 | Fri 23rd Aug 2019 - 23:37
 
She has interest in them only so they hand her money
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85.255.233.211 | Sat 24th Aug 2019 - 00:01
 
Got to
Be questionable when your top cheer teams in Scotland are not interested
Gs , JC Or cosmic . As far as I can see these are the teams in Scotland that compete level 3 and 4 and not one of their athletes tried out ???? Why ???
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213.205.241.84 | Sat 24th Aug 2019 - 00:11
 
@post378 how long till she’s running courses and other stuff under her “national team coach” title. Anyone remember when she was offering USASF credentialing & wasn't even qualified to do any training on it? It was only Lisa that was qualified and allowed to do the training but Roz was all over the place delivering these courses and supposed qualifications. Lisa turned s blind eye to that too! Took so many peoples money & certificates never appeared. This is what we have looking after our national team.
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31.221.79.8 | Sat 24th Aug 2019 - 06:49
 
I question why those teams aren’t apart of it all aswell!? There the ones thatl make us do better as a country. Esp watching that routine that gs aswell as Jc put out last season in the lvl 4 division. I really hope sometime soon we see a change
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5.69.121.179 | Sat 24th Aug 2019 - 07:41
 
Finally people starting to realise that it’s always been a friends act and will continue to be as long as Lisa is in charge and allows Roz to do as she pleases! Just chuck them a few bottles of fizz and they’ll be happy to do anything! The whole Scotcheer drinking shame, aye ok they (coaches) got a bottle of fizz, don’t see that as an open invitation to crack it open and drink it in front of athletes and parents! One of the cdc coaches was bragging how much she had spent at the bar?how can you safely guide your teams at warm up and on the stage when your three sheets away with the wind πŸ€”πŸ€” absolutely shameful! Get the board changed, get people who actually care about our national squad in their and don’t have all your YES people in it, she’s no fool she knows exactly what she’s doing
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5.69.121.179 | Sat 24th Aug 2019 - 08:00
 
electric candy didn't get turned down! They declined the offer because they refused to allow the training to take place at their gym in Ek, which I don't see what the problem is after they allowed it last year, I think its the gain thing again, she's let good coaches slip through her fingers because of what, she wants to stamp her feet and say it must be at my gym! anyone in cheer long enough knows electric candy topsilver!! they were the best and up their in my opinion, you cant take that away from them topsilver was so successful. I think what they are doing with this new team is brilliant, I can see this being more successful than team Scotland. their is no airs or graces and a lot of buzz is being created around it. I'd much rather send my daughter their to compete than deal with all the rubbish going on with TS. They'll be raging that they are doing this and I hope she did put her in her place and lisa realizes that loyalties are shifting for the right reasons and they can see through her and her pathetic excuse for a board.
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109.181.13.140 | Sat 24th Aug 2019 - 09:24
 
@post383 CDC don’t have a gym ?!!! They train in a public commonality & they have a full floor of dead mats the same as the performance floor of icu. Ever think it was changed to benefit the kids on the team? Instead of practicing tumbles on sprung floor every practice then performance that actually counts be expected to compete on dead floor. Yet another clueless hater - yawn
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188.29.165.244 | Sat 24th Aug 2019 - 10:05
 
We need goldstar and Jc involved.in cheer. There must be something we can all do to make this happen.
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5.69.121.179 | Sat 24th Aug 2019 - 10:10
 
Maybe you shouldn’t make assumptions been to ECC gym too, theirs isn’t a spring floor either lol you look like a fool defending they have a dead floor as that’s exactly what Electric Candy and others have
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5.69.121.179 | Sat 24th Aug 2019 - 10:23
 
@384 you really shouldn’t claim a team has a sprung floor, have you been to the Electric Candy Gym? If not then you would know that their floor is a dead floor also so where are you getting they do? I’ve been to that gym as well as centre 81 their is no difference both are dead floors!!’ If that’s the only explanation you can give as to why they moved the training etc to the cdc “public community centre” is laughable!!!! Beggars belief some people will defend cdc and make false repreststions of other teams floors to make them look as they are doing athletes a favour please people aren’t that stupid
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82.132.229.148 | Sat 24th Aug 2019 - 11:02
 
@post380 there’s already a university cheer and dance master class happening in November which is being publicised as being taught by the ‘national team coaches’
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5.69.121.179 | Sat 24th Aug 2019 - 11:13
 
Don’t go to these courses, the only way they realise can’t brainwash people
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188.29.165.197 | Sat 24th Aug 2019 - 12:33
 
Is it not an icc thing ?
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82.132.229.148 | Sat 24th Aug 2019 - 12:59
 
@post390 the uni master class? I don’t think so, pretty sure it’s being organised by Scottish student cheer and they’ve invited sportcheer Scotland in
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5.69.121.179 | Sat 24th Aug 2019 - 13:29
 
Would ask them not to attend unless you can do a sobriety test🀣🀣 did they invite them or are they being paid to attend
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85.255.233.224 | Sat 24th Aug 2019 - 14:02
 
Yes corrupt I hope everyone finds out soon
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86.8.201.32 | Sat 24th Aug 2019 - 14:11
 
they know for sure but if they back them then they can say they have kids on the national team which makes them look good to the public. they know full well that if jc and goldstar was involved then their kids would not stand as much as a chance making it. that's just fact
i can't wait for the day scotland can show what we are really capable of in regards to cheerleading.
nothing against the kids that have gotten in, i really want them to do well. all the drama behind it isn't there fault but why are we not really showing are best at this level.
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5.69.121.179 | Sat 24th Aug 2019 - 14:43
 
There is so many talented teams in Scotland, some just don’t get the recognition they deserve due to unbias judging at events! Most people know the havoc that happened with scoring at an event and guess who was on the judging panel, either a cdc coach or someone affiliated with team Scotland! There were teams who dropped stunts etc and still placed higher than teams who’se stunts etc hit every time and cdc was one of those teams! Now I like Scotcheer, I think certain people have played a part in the fall of it slightly, again it was to gain from it! No matter what is said Lisa Tausney needs to pull her socks up and address the issues made and stop getting her minions to name drop other teams (my opinion is it was a coach from CDC who was in the know, to put that information out there) to draw the spotlight away from themselves! Shameful tactics again, come on Lisa let’s hear how you plan to unite Scotland, tell us how you plan to make TS fair, how is it that you seem to benefit from it along with your friends (staff), were does the fundraising go, what more are you doing to help find the athletes get to America, How are you going to change the set up of the board and management, when will taking athletes after working closely with them with TS, will a time limit be put on people leaving their programme to join yours, when will you and Roz realise that maybe your time is up and maybe people are now seeing through be act, said it once and I’ll say it again, TS is CDC/Rockstar and CDC/Rockstar is TS, they are the same entity run in conjunction with each other....the floor is yours now Lisa
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213.205.241.78 | Sat 24th Aug 2019 - 15:22
 
@post395 well said!!!
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94.197.121.165 | Sat 24th Aug 2019 - 15:36
 
what a sad state of affairs, would have never guessed Scotland was so full of loonballs and tin foil hat conspiracists. It's embarrassing that adults would conduct themselves this way, I'm assuming you all want to be role models for your kids/athletes and show them that bullying and speculation on an anonymous forum is wrong??

if you like it or not, the team Scotland coaches and athletes are picked for the year and nothing will change now. Why are we so keen for our own national team to fail before it's even begun? The athletes that have been chosen are about to embark on an amazing experience and they dont need to hear how random members of the public think they are more qualified to pick the team than the judges they auditioned in front of. They did the hard part, putting themselves forward. Best of luck to all our young cheerleaders and dancers, I hope they continue to enjoy all of the qualities this sport promotes (fun, dedication, hard work, teamwork and perseverance).

If team Scotland went on to place last in every division, this forum (this thread in particular) would still be Scotlands biggest shame - not our kids.
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5.69.121.179 | Sat 24th Aug 2019 - 16:14
 
Oh here we goπŸ™„πŸ™„no one is bullying anyone!! It’s always thrown out their when people don’t like the opinion other people have! Lisa knee the scrutiny she would be under as the president so she should have been well aware people don’t always agree on things and people have the right to voice their concerns! The fact is Lisa has chosen to remain silent and not address anything and instead tried to threaten me with her solicitor! Bullying tactics? Could be seen as that or scare tactics, but what she might not know is nothing scares me and I don’t back down when it’s clear their is concerns of how she is running the NATIONAL TEAM! She could have emailed me a response and said thanks for your concerns let me answer your questions for you and clarify things! Did that happen no! She has allowed her loyalists to hound me and accuse me of having mental health problems 🀣 I think that’s closer to bullying than the legitimate questions I have asked! We all have different opinions and just because retain people don’t like it they spit their dummy out! The teams may be picked but changes can be made to that board and people could resign their seats and as I asked in tee email when is their next AGM? Again no response she’s digging herself a bigger whole
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82.28.31.9 | Sat 24th Aug 2019 - 16:15
 
i think your missing the point on what's being said post above, no one has anything against the kids but this is the national team, if any other sport had a national team that went out missing the only kids that compete at the required level then there would be an outcry and questions as to why it was not happening. it should be the best of the best that are competing and until that happens this is not going to go away.
bury your heads in the sand and hope this goes away all you want but i think it's going to blow up in team scotland face and it's the kids that suffer and will continue to suffer year after year, if there's is no problem then why is there such a big outcry from people.
all everyone wants is a unbias system which it's clearly not.
can you imagine what we could possibly achieve if scotland actually had a true representation of what we are capable of?
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85.255.237.231 | Sat 24th Aug 2019 - 16:39
 
Lisa threatens everyone with court ! She's honestly clueless , I know of 2 coaches she threatened to take to court , id love to tell the story on here but not fair to coaches involved . She really needs call a meeting as the president and sort this out once and for all . I agree with above post it's never going away until Scotland get true representation of the best in country like England , Wales etc . As post above said there would be an outcry if this was going on in England . Looking at posts of athletes that been chosen ( again not their fault , they honestly believe they best in Scotland ) as that what they lead to believe , some of these athletes are lucky to have level 2 tumbles . Honestly embarrassing . We want to go out as a sport representing our country , it's not a wee community hall in Paisley they competing in .
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94.2.185.115 | Sat 24th Aug 2019 - 17:49
 
I agree with the above two posts! England and Wales are respected, Scotland is so far back in the pack, with regards to threats from a solicitor 🀣 that’s laughable and she really needs to be careful what she wishes for, because at this rate it’s her who will be hearing from solicitors and her having to account for every single penny and show who and what she has gained as her time as president! Her head on the chopping board and she has to answer to us all she doesn’t make the rules(bend the rules) to please herself and her own team! Time to be the president I think and take initiative and sort it out already
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188.29.165.41 | Sat 24th Aug 2019 - 18:54
 
This is why ya and Jc and cosmic need to be involved...why aren’t they? This needs to be resolved and the amazing athletes from these teams need to represent our country.
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85.255.235.33 | Sat 24th Aug 2019 - 19:25
 
I'm
Actually an ex athlete and was threatened with court by Lisa tausney over a disagreement with one of her athletes . She cuckoo . Can't believe she's in charge of Scotland .
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94.2.185.115 | Sat 24th Aug 2019 - 19:50
 
Oh my @403! Was it one of her athletes? Someone who runs their mouth regarding solicitors etc she certainly doesn’t back it up!! All mouth but certainly no action! Glad after my original comment in this thread people are speaking out about how unsavoury their treatment has been at the hands of her! She can threaten me all she wants, water of a ducks back and her bark is worse than her bite! On the other hand I’m very very different and intelligent enough to hold a conversation and believe in what I say, she obviously knows she’s busted over certain things and hasn’t the nerve to address it! Anyone know who this so called lawyer is? Would love to have a chitty hat with someone with brains somethings certain people lack in
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85.255.237.215 | Sat 24th Aug 2019 - 21:07
 
At post above , honestly she personally was involved herself , and phoned my coach shouting and screaming she was steaming
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86.8.200.192 | Sat 24th Aug 2019 - 21:58
 
does limits try out? both junior and senior did amazing a few years back in hip hop
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85.255.233.232 | Sat 24th Aug 2019 - 23:26
 
Ladc will never try out either , again shame as they have best hip hop
In Scotland
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85.255.236.175 | Sun 25th Aug 2019 - 00:53
 
Limits had athletes try out.
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151.230.103.168 | Sun 25th Aug 2019 - 01:02
 
No they didn’t
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94.2.185.115 | Sun 25th Aug 2019 - 06:53
 
@405 seriously? She seems to only have a backbone when she’s boozed up she seriously need to check herself! Threats mean nothing to me, hence why she wants to know who I’m affiliated with and have a go at them over my comments and that’s not going to happen! My coach will put her in her place and Lisa needs to get off her high horse and act like she runs a national team! Instead she says unless you tell me this or that then I’m ignoring you! So very unprofessional and will only last so long! She had better hope she doesn’t ever need to meet me cause she finally will have met her match! The whole of Scotland are waiting for answers and she won’t do a thing charging in with auditions etc won’t make it go away, I think Team Scotland will cease to exist and after reading comments above their is other opportunities to do this level with another team who are opening up a select team, I know where I would prefer to go!
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86.6.205.185 | Sun 25th Aug 2019 - 07:57
 
I was a TS athlete last year, my team would never have went to worlds in my time there so I saw my only opportunity to experience ICU. My team didn’t encourage or discourage applying to team Scotland. Why should any coach stop anyone from having an experience like that? I can’t believe coaches genially stop children from experiencing this other than simply for their own selfish and ego related reasons. Surely doing that goes against any valuable coaches passions or beliefs? If you are a coach for the correct reasons, because you love pushing dancers to do their best and for the love of the sport why would you ever not want your athletes to experience this? Or do these coaches who are against it simply only see the chance for their athletes eyes being opened to this larger and greater experience?

TS tryouts/ auditions (same thing for those asking btw!) were tough!! I’ve experienced professional dance auditions and they weren’t far from this. Open, difficult, varied in styles of choreography, an opportunity to show you’re own choreography as an individual dancer and very fair. The TS dance team I was part of was filled with girls from a HUGE variety of teams!

I went through a huge personal stage in my life while I was there and was shown support from TS like I’ve never had before. As a competition dancer you look up to your coach, especially if you’ve danced for them for a long time. Your team are like a family, yes? That’s exactly what I got from TS within my one season. Surely from that alone you as an outsider understand the bigger picture here?

Anyone trying to ridicule

Once everyone puts their petty disputes aside and realises what TS are trying to do as a whole, Scotland could kick some serious butt at worlds!!! Is that not what we all want?

To all Scottish cheer/dance coaches, IMAGINE being at ICU watching athletes you’d pushed all year to be the very best they could be up on that ICU stage not only coming off the stage happy with their performance but watching them return to that stage to be given 1st, 2nd or even 3rd place?! We’ve got the potential in our athletes across the country, incredibly talented coaches/choreographers throughout and this forum screams passion from everyone.
Scotland, what else do we need?
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94.2.185.115 | Sun 25th Aug 2019 - 08:15
 
I agree with some of what your saying at post above! There is loads of talent in Scotland that Scotland could be a force to be reckoned with! However, coaches watching their athletes in a worlds stage is a proud moment for them that’s for sure, but what you fail to understand is the underhanded tactics hat are used, the inside politics and one person who will do anything to make sure she has control! I’m glad you had a great experience with team scotland and this has nothing to do with the fantastic athletes who do go! Major changes need to be made to make Scotland great and until their is clear transparency and a board who have no other agenda then you really aren’t going to get very far! They are burying their heads in the sand, their is a large group who have the same views as me and don’t say a word because it is what it is and hey don’t want to rock the boat! Until the changes are made, rules are followed I don’t know how long scotland will continue after his season it may have ICU status but that can be taken away if ICU feel they aren’t doing what they are meant too! Maybe it’s time ICU step in and change the set up of that board and make it a fair representation of all the fabulous teams within Scotland
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94.2.185.115 | Sun 25th Aug 2019 - 08:28
 
This forum has allowed people to voice their opinion and I’m glad people are finally seeing through all the bullshit that TS and the CDC put out there! It openly clear that their is a lot of people who disagree with how TS is set up and run it’s about time that the board sit down and have an open discussion about all that’s been discussed on this forum! I’ve had a wee nosey on their website and I think after seeing the board there is only one maybe two people who I would contact and none of them belong to CDC because you then would hope that they aren’t under their spell and can hopefully change the organisation from within. This is clearly nothing to do with the athletes, the athletes bust themselves to tryout and train to get to worlds, this is about someone/team holding all the cards in their hands and dictating what should and shouldn’t happen. I think they hope by ignoring the situation it will go away, it seems some very passionate people are on this forum and want change to benefit the athletes who tryout! If what is said is to be believed and threats of solicitors for defamation is happening then WOW, and if contact is being ignored doesn’t paint them in the greatest light either!
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188.29.165.56 | Sun 25th Aug 2019 - 15:17
 
Goldstars would serve us well at icu with they was apart of it all !!
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213.205.240.204 | Sun 25th Aug 2019 - 21:22
 
@post413 it certainly does let people voice their opinion regardless who gets hurt on the crossfire. Opinions are well viewed and I can’t be the only one but it’s clear to see that all this backing and the mention after mention of Goldstar and JC that these are the teams posting these comments. Deny all you like but it doesn’t take a genius to work it out.
Whither you or your coach likes or dislikes another coach, have concerns or disputes you are ridiculing and yes bullying a certain individual QUITE CLEARLY and you want to talk about professionalism. Those in glass houses should not throw stones.
I would love to see a collaboration of all the coaches working together YES that means Goldstar and JC and CDC and who ever else wants to be part of it. But the only obvious gain wanted here is CDC out and Goldstar or JC in.
You are all correct in saying this is embarrassing for Scotland and the only ones quite clearly embarrassing Scotland is you all with your bullying and evil twisting made up conspiracies and facts that are not or no where near true, trying to destroy a human beings career. No I don’t think anyone see’s the truth cause the only ones believing it are yous within the named teams carrying it on trying to make it look like it. But people still auditioned and people are over the moon they have made spots on this years teams and it’s all still going ahead.
Honestly makes me feel sick and disgusted the tactics used on here, I’d have loved to have seen a major power collaboration between all teams, a force to be reckoned with but all this makes me sick to my stomach, imagining if it was handed over to you lot by god what a sorry state of affairs, nothing but a team of bullies and I hope Lisa and all is sportcheer Scotland pull off an amazing year.
The only thing that would be good is if the coaches (not the evil minions on here) sit and discuss and sort out their differences and come to agreements. These are grown adults if they want to sort it for the good of their sport and their country they’d do it. If not, they want what?to ruin someone to then take it on themselves and who would be the one personally gaining in that situation. Hypocrites. What a great big disgusting example to set to young girls. Absolute shame all the talent this country has and could have but portray us like nasty vicious people.
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82.132.247.161 | Mon 26th Aug 2019 - 05:05
 
CDC had “Team Scotland” WAYYYY before the National Team was set up so it makes total sense that the only reason Lisa would choose to invite other teams in is if it’s in her benefit

Even when club teams repped Scotland you never saw Gold Star there once, all of it still pointed to CDC and their friends by narrowing the selection process down to people who competed at Scotcheer rather than choosing the absolute best. I find it very hard to believe that Lisa/Roz etc want the best for Scotland because if they did they’d have admitted a few years ago that Gold Star should have had a go at ICU as they’re the strongest team in cheer and dance. What Lisa wants is to make out that she is the centre of Scottish cheer and dance, and while you can’t dispute CDC are good, they are actively leaving out great teams because of politics. I see their excuses time and time again “well anyone can tryout” etc but everyone knows why they wouldn’t tryout. It’s a false invitation which makes it look like it’s “open to all” but in reality they know full well they won’t see GS, JCP etc. Especially since the coaching and choreography wouldn’t be a patch on what they’re doing with their club team.
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86.8.201.128 | Mon 26th Aug 2019 - 05:13
 
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they get mentioned so much because they are the best teams in scotland and the only teams to compete regularly and successfully at this level
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94.2.185.115 | Mon 26th Aug 2019 - 06:52
 
@415 no bullying at all!! If you look I’ve taken a fair load of crap from people on this forum and accused of having mental health problems🀣 that’s bullying trying to taint someone’s opinion and integrity! I’m not from any of the afore mentioned teams and I along eh others only see the benefit from having these teams in board! Lisa has made rod for her own back, with her her sidekick Roz, this is all down to the act that they wan to be seen as the innovators in Scottish cheer and promoting she’s top dog of it all. The fact is their are other coaches out their who aren’t game hungry, aren’t powered by greed, self gain and personally stuck up their own backside!! If they remove their head from the clouds they will see they are doing scotland an injustice and I agree with the above post that the invitation is half hearted because if that was the case then why weren’t others offers to go along with cdc/Rockstar/solider k athletes to have some practice that they clearly posted online? Why is CDC offering camps to show audition skills and tips, Did the money earned from that go into the team scotland pot or into the purses of CDC? They whole heartily benefit from being in charge, they can deny all they like and try to unite the truth they financially gain from putting everything at their “hired” community centre, they benefit from putting auditions practice ( you can rest assured if any other coach tries that they’d have been told no chance and threatened with solicitors) they are rubbing their hands together as they think their untouchable, they are far from it! Lisa has been given every opportunity to correct myself and others who questioned her and the team scotland board! She has instead decided to remain silent and that speaks volumes, she puts out info only if it still her benefit and make her and TS look good! Going back to your point about Scotcheer, I heard whispers that Lisa/Roz were trying to buy that competition! Whether that’s true or again whispers is yet to be confirmed however, if that’s the case I would boycott Scotcheer we don’t need another biased competition in Scotland! AC/DC does that already its farcical watching teams go out and perform not to the best of white abilities and still walk away with a placing that wasn’t deserved! All who attended AC/DC know what was happening CDC/Rockstar more or less cleaned up but surprise surprise who was judging people affiliated with their own team and again not a level playing field! Until their is impartiality within their comp and their running of TS then I’m afraid to say it, Tram scotland will cease to exist and they may as well stick to their own team going to worlds because you can’t call Tram Scotland that if it’s made up of one team and that’s were it’s headed
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94.2.185.115 | Mon 26th Aug 2019 - 06:54
 
Apologies should have said solid rock athletes
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85.255.237.192 | Mon 26th Aug 2019 - 09:13
 
So was it ok for Sarah to hold open tumble sessions and invite Team Scotland athletes along to those but not okay for Roz just cause of who she is? Come on, clutching at straws there I would say!
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kayemm (165) | Mon 26th Aug 2019 - 09:47
 
Pretty sure if you look back Rockstar advertised those sessions as open summer camp sessions. Why shouldn't people from other teams be able to go to summer camps at another gym? Especially if they aren't being offered at their own.

We shouldn't all be working in silos. For too long cheer in Scotland has been restricted by coaches not willing to share and not willing to let their athlete's learn from others, even when it could be beneficial to the athlete and team as a whole.

Phoenix Flames athletes were there too if I remember from the post.
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94.2.185.115 | Mon 26th Aug 2019 - 10:31
 
Not clutching at straws at all 🀣merely making a point! As stated in posts above Roz was behind the scene last year (aye right.....cue the long speech at the ball) for someone who supposedly had nothing to do with it last year sure knew a lot and gave a speech ahead of coaches selected , again tells you something!!! Lisa and Roz are the puppet masters and want everyone to fall in line like it or lump it, it’s there way or no way as long as they benefit from it they don’t give two monkeys about anything else! Just lame excuses come from TS direction or silence........again they’ve had ample opportunity to address the problems and questions directed to them through the appropriate channels and they STILL reuse to engage!
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176.254.131.4 | Mon 26th Aug 2019 - 10:37
 
I really think this conversation needs to end. At the end of the day, your not going to get your answers on an anonymous forum. Maybe if you were to say who you are then others would follow suit. The fact that you hide behind an anonymous status isn't helping you resolve the issues that you highlight. You obviously have far too much time on your hands.
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94.2.185.115 | Mon 26th Aug 2019 - 11:26
 
🀣 I’ve been threatened with solicitors already without them knowing who am I! It’s actually laughable people still think they run a tight ship it’s so far from it.
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212.219.254.80 | Mon 26th Aug 2019 - 12:21
 
Sorry, but you have been making claims with no proof to back up your statements on an online forum that could be considered as defamation. She has every right to involve solicitors as this is damaging to Lisa's personal reputation and the reputation of multiple teams and organisations mentioned in the posts above. By not revealing who you are or where your concerns come from SCS can't address them. You will literally just keep going around in circles with no resolution.

Does the coach of the team you are affiliated with know you are behind this thread? If you were really looking for change, rather than just creating mindless noise on an anonymous forum, surely the best option is to speak to your own coach about your concerns, and from there go to SCS openly with what you want answers to and evidence to back up your claims. "I heard this" and "I heard that" means nothing.
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148.252.128.191 | Mon 26th Aug 2019 - 17:28
 
Only athletes attended Roz open tumble sessions were rockstar , cdc and their followers . It's all one big farce , self gain for Lisa and Roz , someone needs stand up and challange them
. Scotland will never get any better if they don't have best athletes representing . That's what's all about , not just a wee holiday to Florida . God sake it's supposed to be TEAM SCOTLAND
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94.2.185.115 | Mon 26th Aug 2019 - 17:34
 
I beg to differ, I didn’t start this threat someone else did and I posted MY opinion the same as others are allowed to post theirs! It makes me laugh how gullible people can be when the truth is right in front of them! A lot of info I’ve got is from the big thing we call the internet and for your info, the claims about them taking over Scotcheer was being spoken openly in front of me and others in attendance maybe hats what happens when members have a drink and their mouth starts spilling secrets!!! The rest is my opinion and loads of other agree, it’s not down to my coach to voice MY opinion it’s mine! Tough to those who don’t like it but since they continue to avoid the situation, I’m going to the next port of call which is someone whose adfiliated with sportcheerscotland and ICU here is hoping that he can get to the bottom of the lies, deceit and greed and damn right bad communication problem going on over at Team a scotland! Obviously no back bone, if I’m wrong I’ll hold my hands up, but the fact is I don’t believe I am in certain things and they don’t prove me wrong otherwise
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85.255.233.154 | Mon 26th Aug 2019 - 18:02
 
@post418 @post426 think you will find that Solid Rock athletes attended different camps over the summer as their gym was closed and not offering many camps. Solid Rock have great relationships with other teams so let's not try and cause an issue that doesn't even exist.
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94.2.185.115 | Mon 26th Aug 2019 - 18:04
 
Merely stating a fact 🀣 which was there for all too see!!!
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85.255.233.154 | Mon 26th Aug 2019 - 18:17
 
Theres a difference between fact and opinion
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86.8.200.128 | Mon 26th Aug 2019 - 18:21
 
Really? pretty sure if you look on their page you can see a whole range of workshops they had over the summer, the summer programme looks pretty busy?
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85.255.233.154 | Mon 26th Aug 2019 - 18:52
 
Who Solid Rock?
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148.252.128.191 | Mon 26th Aug 2019 - 20:33
 
Solid rock are followers of Roz and Lisa .
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94.2.185.115 | Mon 26th Aug 2019 - 20:48
 
Solid rock are a great team and only seen them around comps so not sure if they are in their pockets or not, so won’t comment! Fact or my opinion who cares I said what I’ve said other agree others don’t! Nobody my like my opinion I’m not that bothered, have a look at some of these comments you’ll see Lisa and co like to threaten people with solicitors to shut them up, NOT ME I’m afraid I’m built of sterner stuff that that and laugh off those types of threats, but hey if she really feels the need I’ve got the number of a great civil lawyer who has my back so not exactly running scared either🀣 my opinion my views simple as that like it or lump, be an adult an respond
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92.7.68.229 | Mon 26th Aug 2019 - 21:19
 
If Lisa were professional and in the right she would give her side and prove herself since she is in such a highly esteemed position. As the director of TEAM SCOTLAND she should expect to be called into account now and again and if she had done nothing wrong she’d have the evidence to shut the haters up?

If she’s ignoring it then, to me, it has guilt written all over it. She’s in too high a position to ignore these things. She needs to grow up and either state her own side OR put right the wrongs.
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82.28.179.174 | Mon 26th Aug 2019 - 21:32
 
I wouldn’t think any professional would ever respond to accusations made by someone who remains anonymous on the internet lol. For by that, most professionals are far too busy to entertain this nonsense.
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89.241.186.232 | Mon 26th Aug 2019 - 21:50
 
Is director of team Scotland a new title? I haven't heard about that? I thought she was president of sportcheer Scotland and there is a separate board who looks after team Scotland ? Have I picked this up wrong im so confused now
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94.2.185.115 | Mon 26th Aug 2019 - 22:15
 
Anonymous or not the facts still remain she has been approached through the correct channels and she threatened legal action for defamation far from it asking legitimate questions isn’t defamation! Silly threats do NOT bother me in the slightest!! And as the post above said if she had nothing to hide she would’ve addressed it privately and gave answers, so yes I followed the correct chain of command and she still hasn’t replied, she is the president, the buck falls at her I’m afraid! Lisa needs to be very careful which enemies she made on the way up because they will all kick her on the way down!! To be successful you don’t have to have issues with people resolve them, I think some have got too big for their boots!!
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89.241.186.232 | Mon 26th Aug 2019 - 22:34
 
Hypothetically speaking

If I had a car from Porsche (I wish) and decided I don't like the way Arnold Clark ran his business. Now I've not bought my car from Arnold Clark and as long as he is in charge I've made it clear I won't ever buy my car from him.

Would I expect him to respond to me on a car forum? No.

Would I expect him to give out details about why he runs his company this way or that way? No. If he was willing to have a meeting with me to discuss my concerns but I wanted to stay anonymous I would certainly expect him to want nothing to do with me.

I appreciate you expect answers as you are part of the cheer community as a parent, however as someone said above I think the correct way to raise concerns would be through your coach who will be a member of either USASF or IASF depending when they did their qualifications. They are the member of the governing bodies and they are the right people to take forward any concerns. I think at that stage it would even be okay for them to say please see below an email of concern from a parent on my programme, they wouldn't have to name you but at least then it is coming through an appropriate route.

If your coach does not share your concerns then maybe you need to either a) think about whether your programme is aligned to your views and whether you would be better sending your athlete else where or b) ask them to explain why they don't share your concerns, you clearly trust them with your child's welfare at class surely you should trust them on this too?
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82.132.218.210 | Mon 26th Aug 2019 - 22:58
 
Lisa does not own SCS as her company

She is an elected member, maybe a meeting is due & re election?!
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94.2.185.115 | Mon 26th Aug 2019 - 23:02
 
My opinion is that mine and my child’s coach is a smart lady she knows herself the wrong doings going on and again thats for her to address! Anyone can address their concerns doesn’t need to be a coach! If people were to read through the posts about team Scotland last year people were clearly voicing their opinion about it then and again it was this big conspiracy either against cdc/Rockstar or gs/Jc! Their is more teams than them in Scotland whose athletes and coaches detsebe more credit! The fact still remains they haven’t run it properly from the beginning and it’s all built on their need for power and control, don’t tjink anyone has said they aren’t good, that’s not the issue! Kids will do what there coaches tell them, and the cdc coaches scout new members that’s already been proven and they have a track record for it, but she runs them both as the same entity they should be independent of any squad or management! Just looking at the board etc and it’s clear whose in charge! Lisa is obviously very smart and plays with the power trip to her advantage, solicitor threats is an empty threat when someone knows someone has got their game! Speaks volumes
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213.205.241.123 | Mon 26th Aug 2019 - 23:11
 
If you want a professional response. Send a professional complaint via a professional in this industry.
My son plays football in a Saturday morning football club does that mean I have the right to troll, harass and demand a response from the SFA Regards the Scotland football team???? I think not.
Would a professional football manager take into consideration a parent of a child in grassroots football!
We want to be considered a legitimate sport..... everyone needs to start acting like we are and use the proper channels to voice concerns complaints etc as this is now ridiculous!
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148.252.128.191 | Mon 26th Aug 2019 - 23:42
 
The corrupt board is getting found out . Time for them to speak out . Hello Lisa and Roz . Time to speak out and answer to cheer community , after all you both think you know all
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31.53.7.82 | Tue 27th Aug 2019 - 00:37
 
I think it’s the people posting on the forum who think they know all, Jesus Christ πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚ if you have such an issue write to the icu??? They’re governing over Sportcheer so will be able to investigate and or take appropriate action. It’s very clear you’re not going to get a rise nor response from your comments on here.
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82.41.41.18 | Tue 27th Aug 2019 - 02:31
 
Why has Lisa registered is as a limited company with her as the director?? Should it not be a charity or a cic if it’s voluntary ??
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94.2.185.115 | Tue 27th Aug 2019 - 07:24
 
Again no dog is trolling anyone ffs!!πŸ™„πŸ™„ one of minions defending a corrupt board! It’s been done through the correct channels already...... they don’t have the answers and think ppl are stupid and can’t see through t all! Their own team members might allow her to do as she pleases but at the end of the day it’s he national team! No trolling no bullying for goodness sake wake up!
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51.52.245.138 | Tue 27th Aug 2019 - 10:21
 
Looks like there might not be a team Scotland? as the dates for icu have changed. probably best considering the drama behind it. Then maybe next season there might be a chance for Scotland to have the best teams representing in cheer and dance, wishful thinking lol
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94.2.185.115 | Tue 27th Aug 2019 - 10:45
 
Until there is utter transparency then Team Scotland will not be united and claims of unity are false
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80.2.20.208 | Tue 27th Aug 2019 - 11:22
 
it's no different to our kids at the summit, it won't affect everyone, a few might need to rethink it especially the ines doing exams on those dates but i think for the majority it should be still ok. lucky it wasn't exams like english and maths as that would of had a bigger impact
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92.40.248.193 | Wed 28th Aug 2019 - 15:33
 
Wonder how all the vex kids willl train both teams with icu moving to after worlds
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92.40.248.193 | Wed 28th Aug 2019 - 15:33
 
CDC **
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151.230.103.168 | Wed 28th Aug 2019 - 23:07
 
What exams are on that week?
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80.2.20.208 | Thu 29th Aug 2019 - 00:15
 
monday
german nat5 higher and advanced higher
pe nat5

tuesday
geography nat5 higher and advanced higher

wednesday
spanish nat5 higher and advanced higher
practical electronics

thursday
physics nat5 higher and advanced higher

friday
history nat5 higher and advanced higher
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86.171.170.244 | Wed 4th Sep 2019 - 23:25
 
Still nearly double the programs this year from last - say what you want but majority of Scotland is getting behind it. Why don’t you take the plunge and let athletes go.

Sick of seeing comments about Goldstar, JC & Cosmic. Cosmic flames posted Instagram story with a girl in Team Scotland Tee so what’s to say they’ve not got athletes in this year??
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82.32.251.80 | Thu 5th Sep 2019 - 12:18
 
Cosmic don’t have any athletes in team Scotland
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85.255.237.224 | Thu 5th Sep 2019 - 13:53
 
Why do people try cause trouble !
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213.205.240.53 | Thu 5th Sep 2019 - 17:11
 
Omg please let this go now! Everyones just going round in circles! Just shut up and move on!
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151.230.241.223 | Sat 7th Sep 2019 - 08:52
 
Not everyone is behind this and you’d be a fool to think so! Lisa and co think by ignoring the situation that it will go away but clearly it doesn’t! No matter how you look at it many are on the same page when it comes to how TS is run! Absolutely farcical and they can keep sitting their heads in the sand people can see it for what it is, a money making and power grabbing machine
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5.157.13.6 | Sat 7th Sep 2019 - 11:23
 
Absolutely @458! Also, why is SportCheer-Scotland registered as 'Cheer Scotland Ltd'? Why not under their name?? Oh - I know, it's because they stole the entire idea! πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚
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82.132.216.23 | Sat 7th Sep 2019 - 13:57
 
Ignorance is bliss @ 459! They are creating the divide and making it worse! Their is others in Scotland doing things the right way and that’s a credit to them, until Lisa and the rest of the crew follow their own rules and regulations and stop lining their own pockets team scotland will cease to exist. People are smart enough to work out the truth and those still clinging to the fact that it’s hnified, please people take those rose tinted glasses off! All these gushing social media posts about the start of training and the journey is a pathetic attempt to prove others that they are doing a great job! Sorry it’s doesn’t the posts scream desperation so unprofessional and people like that have no place running a national team
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213.205.241.87 | Sun 8th Sep 2019 - 09:46
 
🀷‍♀️
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85.255.237.215 | Sun 8th Sep 2019 - 20:26
 
Roz and Lisa will crash and burn when everyone realises what they are doing and how all this is about self gain . You only need to see the top 2 teams in Scotland do not want involved . Do the ones following them not wonder why ? Jc , Goldstar , cosmic flames have great cheer teams and not 1 of their athletes tried out . That alone says all !
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82.29.6.35 | Sun 8th Sep 2019 - 22:02
 
Who even is cosmic flames sorry they keep being mentioned as being up there with Jc & Goldstar ?
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151.230.103.168 | Sun 8th Sep 2019 - 22:12
 
What’s the rules on adaptive Pom?
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151.230.241.223 | Mon 9th Sep 2019 - 06:16
 
Until people take of their rose tinted glasses, this will continue. They seem to think by posting about how good training etc is and posting gushing social media posts that people are dumb enough to think they’re doing what’s best. With regards to the other teams that’s neither here or there anymore, the fact is TS aid not being run properly and is definitely about who holds the power in Scottish cheerleading and Lisa and Roz seem to think it’s them, people will smarten up eventually and when they do the tables will turn! I’m still waiting on those invisible solicitors to contact me, threatening lawyers and being unprofessional by not answering emails for information, tells us all something.....they have something to hide, their is coaches out their doing a much better job and following the rules set out and giving everyone equal opportunity! Just a matter of time before Lisa and co lose the grip of the control they have
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80.2.21.175 | Mon 9th Sep 2019 - 09:00
 
cosmic flames are a great programme, solid in levels 1-3 and by the looks of their social media it won't be long before they have a level 4+ team.
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185.69.145.16 | Mon 9th Sep 2019 - 09:19
 
No 1 saying cosmic are up there will Goldstar and Jc , they are just saying that they have athletes that definately could have tried out as they better than what TS has , but obviously their coaches weren't want them try out either , and yes at post above their athletes look great on social media .
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51.52.245.138 | Mon 9th Sep 2019 - 11:13
 
@post459 what do you mean they stole the whole idea?
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151.230.103.168 | Mon 9th Sep 2019 - 14:47
 
is it a ltd company?
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82.132.219.40 | Mon 9th Sep 2019 - 15:04
 
Lisa stomped on a few people to take power at Team Scotland and made sure she had her staff and colleagues from CDC on the board so that the power can’t be shifted by a vote as they control the board by having so many members from CDC on it and all the coaches are more or less cdc:Rockstar with a few others in for good measure
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51.52.245.138 | Mon 9th Sep 2019 - 15:10
 
@post470 Who did she stomp on? are these facts or just people starting rumours?
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85.255.237.78 | Mon 9th Sep 2019 - 15:46
 
Fact ! But she has so many suck ups behind her that they do everything she asks . She got them all behind her by running camps etc but don't let her kid you , that camp money subsidised her own team with camps . The same happening with TS . Open your eyes folks ! Facts are there in front of you .
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51.52.245.138 | Mon 9th Sep 2019 - 15:51
 
@post472 that is terrible why would she do that though? why is Claire not involved? I doubt she wouldn't want anything to do with it like others are saying must be more to it that that.
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82.132.219.40 | Mon 9th Sep 2019 - 17:11
 
Pure fact! She puts on camps etc and tries to stop other ppl from utilising independently and tries to charge people extortionate amounts! She tries to make money to subsidise her own team through TS camps and rakes it in! Lisa has pound signs I’m her eyes and runs her hands and tries to use the power she has at TS to enforce she’s he boss! She’s so unprofessional and needs to forfeit her seat on the board as president
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51.52.245.138 | Mon 9th Sep 2019 - 17:22
 
@post474 so if you think lisa isn't up to this job? Then who is?
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213.205.241.110 | Mon 9th Sep 2019 - 19:26
 
More like any opportunity CDC get and pay for if in any way possible Lisa also try’s her best to give the same opportunity to Team Scotland often at her own expense
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94.7.147.89 | Mon 9th Sep 2019 - 19:58
 
This thread is a croc of rubbish!! Adults slating other adults and kids it’s disgusting there are more than 3 teams in Scotland with extremely talented dancers so why shouldn’t other kids who were born in this country get the chance to represent their nation?
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151.230.103.168 | Mon 9th Sep 2019 - 20:43
 
Is it a Ltd company?
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82.132.217.40 | Mon 9th Sep 2019 - 20:45
 
@476 who are you kidding?!?! Lisa puts her hand in at her own expense aye right🀣🀣 she openly has camps and advertises it with skills and trick and tips for auditions! Are you telling me if any other coach would’ve got away with that......NOT A CHANCE! If you think so your a fool! Lisa and Roz don’t do anything at their own expense I find that extremely laughable you e obviously had the wool pulled over your eyes
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209.97.141.224 | Tue 10th Sep 2019 - 18:41
 
If
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2.25.116.210 | Wed 11th Sep 2019 - 13:27
 
This is actually boring!!
Cannot believe this thread is getting added to DAILY by the same person...get a job man!!

basically you’re saying that athletes currently on TS are not good and that there are better athletes in the teams that didn’t try out?!?! How dare you!!

Dry your eyes, move on and away and do something more productive with your day!! If you are a coach....shame on you!! If you are a parent of an athlete currently training with an all star team...even more shame on you!! Making generalisations about the abilities of athletes on their national team when you know none of these athletes personally or have trained any of them is disgusting!!

Go through the correct channels to get answers-if you don’t like the answers, deal with it in the correct manner ie take the necessary steps to get answers/rectify - don’t come on here and bore us about it! Sitting on an anonymous forum making statements about members of TS is laughable!! Even worse is putting updates on about how you know this/that and how you seem to think anyone cares!! Prove it!! Stop making statements “oh you’ll soon see...” bla bla!! Boring and repetitive nonsense!!

clearly there’s something missing in someone’s life if their daily excitement is putting posts on here!!!
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94.7.147.89 | Wed 11th Sep 2019 - 13:46
 
@post481 well said they have got a lot to say for someone who doesn’t care about team Scotland and don’t think much of them obsessive jealousy springs to mind!!
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82.132.217.226 | Wed 11th Sep 2019 - 16:41
 
🀣🀣🀣 @481 I have plenty to do with my day thank you very much, this is an open discussion and I can post whenever I see fit! What’s actually comical is ppl don’t realise this is nothing to do with the athletes they are fantastic, the issue is the board, doing what they feel suits them and their own programmes and how they benefit!!! Something tells me your affiliated with a particular team and that’s fine I admire loyalty, however when it finally clicks when your child or family member isn’t good enough anymore or someone better comes along the penny will finally drop. You clearly think all is well with the way it’s run but it’s NOT! They have had ample opportunity to reply to the questions instead she choose to threaten ppl with solicitors and even refuses to acknowledge their is a problem with the TS organisation! Not exactly professional and she’s in charge πŸ€”πŸ€”Lisa the floor is yours again if you wish to address all the questions directed to you from myself and other forum members? I must go and get back to work apparently I don’t have a job or anything better to do🀣🀣
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82.132.217.226 | Wed 11th Sep 2019 - 16:43
 
@482 not jealous off anyone! Things would be all good if it was a level playing field for all Scottish athletes and it clearly is not!!! Lisa and co need to stop trying to stop playing we are all not benefiting and we are doing what’s best! Aye right, their silence speaks volumes
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85.255.233.164 | Thu 12th Sep 2019 - 00:06
 
Lisa and Roz are dangerous , you will all find out too soon
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151.228.5.238 | Thu 12th Sep 2019 - 07:04
 
@485 yeah they think the north of them are untouchable.....not quite! Certainly clear that they are all mouth and threats only get them so far and when you can’t back those threats up it becomes laughable
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Mon 14th Oct 2019, 15:38
@Post20, it is the right decision for many teams but I don't think it is for RS. They came third at worlds 2019 (an amazing achievement) dropping a level makes it look like they are after an easier win.
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Mon 14th Oct 2019, 14:54
#lisaandrozout 🀣 lets get the campaign started to get team Scotland turned around and make Scotland a force to be reckoned with and not the money grabbing, power hungry individual who line their own pockets by poaching get them out! No need to be kind or polite, Lisa and Roz show no respect to others and have bullied their way into power
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Mon 14th Oct 2019, 14:20
a lot of teams probably would not do it as the benefits they get for having a kid on team scotland and actively going against the current set up, it looks good for the team in the papers and things saying you have people in the national team. with the greatest respect to the kids that are going, a lot of them would not make it if all teams where involved
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