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Squad charging more on top for entry fees
Tuesday 6th of August 2019, 16:45
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86.148.189.213 | Wed 13th Feb 2019 - 15:43
 
Can anyone tell me if it is normal for the cheer organisations to charge you the entry fee plus a few pounds more on top fir their admin fee. As I believe don’t they have to state they are doing so, I cannot seem to find any info on this at all ?
Can anyone fill me in at all ?
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81.134.201.226 | Wed 13th Feb 2019 - 15:54
 
Is this online?
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86.148.189.213 | Wed 13th Feb 2019 - 15:59
 
We was charged £2 extra on top of every routine from what FC or BCA are charging from who she cheers with ! Is this normal at all ?
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86.148.189.213 | Wed 13th Feb 2019 - 16:00
 
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82.132.228.108 | Wed 13th Feb 2019 - 16:06
 
@post3 do you expect your coach to spend the hours it takes to enter competitions completely free of charge?
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148.253.178.66 | Wed 13th Feb 2019 - 16:12
 
Doesnt exactly sound shady, its work that needs to be done and some people like to be paid for their time and at 1 or 2 pound it sounds like they purely are just covering costs of time spent and possibly any fees that might occur, i.e if you are paying for you entries via a card the club will ba paying a percentage of that as a handling fee.
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86.148.189.213 | Wed 13th Feb 2019 - 16:16
 
But sometimes they can be 4 routines alone for my daughter so that’s £2 for every routine times by all the athletes competing, and have been told they have to tell you their doing so. Never have I been informed of this
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82.132.219.184 | Wed 13th Feb 2019 - 16:21
 
No I don’t expect it free of charge that’s what the monthly fees are for !!!
@Post9
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85.255.232.25 | Wed 13th Feb 2019 - 16:27
 
Monthly fees generally cover things like coaching hours, venue costs, insurance, music licences etc
The amount of admin involved in entering teams for competition is enormous and time consuming an admin fee of £1-2 on top is totally acceptable to cover time spent organising this as well as chasing fees from those parents who don’t pay on time etc.
If you’re that bothered by it why don’t you suggest to the club owner that you will do all the collating of entries and admin for competitions for free.
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94.197.120.140 | Wed 13th Feb 2019 - 16:35
 
Very normal to be charged a small admin fee yes, and also normal for coaches to say deadlines earlier than the competition website states.
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86.148.189.213 | Wed 13th Feb 2019 - 16:40
 
Obviously this is coming from a coach as you are charging the same
I pay extra for music and insurance on top of monthly fees
Note to yourselves you must state your charging this admin fee don’t just do it
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85.255.236.109 | Wed 13th Feb 2019 - 17:03
 
We don’t charge extra for any admin, but if you are a big program I get why you would.
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82.132.212.26 | Wed 13th Feb 2019 - 17:17
 
Yes of course!

It takes hours to do competition entries, not to mention collecting all the money, checking it, and chasing up the inevitable ones who “forget”!

Coaches do a hell of a lot outside of training - from choreo to reviewing rulebooks, scoresheets etc. Don’t really think it’s fair to expect them to do admin free of charge. If you begrudge paying it - perhaps you should offer to do all entries and money collection FOC.
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82.132.219.184 | Wed 13th Feb 2019 - 17:19
 
All I am saying is they have to state there doing so (admin charge) applicable not one do I know of that is actually stating it
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188.221.134.58 | Wed 13th Feb 2019 - 18:18
 
Completely agree with charging admin if you are at a large club as i can imagine it can take a considerable amount of time - but a small club no.
But I wouldn’t send my daughter to a club where I have to pay towards music/insurance - why are you paying fees if you have to pay everything else aswell?
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213.205.241.148 | Wed 13th Feb 2019 - 18:35
 
I agree with @post13 Totally normal, you are signing up to the program not the event producer. It’s just like any service you use. Just because it’s cheerleading doesn’t mean to say they have to run any differently from any other company. Teams have over heads to pay. The fact they are been honest with you says a lot about the team. Respect to the coaches. If you pay someone to fit new windows would you ask why you are paying more for the actual windows than they paid from their supplier or ask when they are paying their admin clerk for sorting your invoice!
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185.59.125.93 | Wed 13th Feb 2019 - 18:44
 
Competion entries suck, they are time consuming and miserable. I ran my entire university programs entry for 3 competitions and by the end I wanted to scream.
£2 admin fee is nothing you stingy cheapskate
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82.132.212.26 | Wed 13th Feb 2019 - 18:54
 
@post15 so who pays for insurance and music?! If you want coaches to be open and honest about where your money is going you can’t have it both ways
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86.30.179.15 | Wed 13th Feb 2019 - 19:50
 
We pay an admin fee. With the amount of work that goes into it all, I'm more than happy to pay the admin fees. We also pay a registration fee at the beginning of the year which covers music and insurance. Again, happy to pay that.
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81.110.200.35 | Wed 13th Feb 2019 - 21:25
 
Agree with everyone else - the admin is hideous, time consuming and stressful - a couple of quid is a drop in the ocean, for the time coaches actually put in... maybe you could consider the possibility that coaches won't want to continue running programmes than benefit your kid if there's no respect or basic consideration for their time and effort.

...and yeah, if you really can't bear to part with £8 - offer to help do comp entries.
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188.221.134.58 | Wed 13th Feb 2019 - 22:54
 
She is saying she pays subs, music fee, insurance fee & then pays admin. I don’t imagine her subs are cheaper because she contributes to everything else seperately.. if your running a business you have overheads. @post18, maybe @post1 can clarify her sub price
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81.100.240.241 | Wed 13th Feb 2019 - 23:13
 
Totally normal. I feel sorry for the coach at your club if this is how you handle a minor issue.
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82.132.217.46 | Thu 14th Feb 2019 - 08:19
 
No. To me it reads that she pays class fees. They cover coaches and venue if you don’t have your own. I know a lot of programmes break down their payments to cover insurance and music so parents are aware of where their money goes without rocketing class fees
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94.11.3.117 | Thu 14th Feb 2019 - 11:58
 
If the program is clear on the overall costs and you agree to pay then it shouldn't matter to you (nor be your business to question) where the money is allocated.
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109.146.234.115 | Fri 15th Feb 2019 - 13:25
 
Competitive cheer is not cheap and I think it is important that fees and expenditure are outlined at the start of the season. My daughter has been on a team where admin fees suddenly appeared out of nowhere. It is these sudden new unexplained fees that raise questions for me.
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86.186.202.86 | Sun 17th Feb 2019 - 18:10
 
I don't charge extra but f I was to I would charge £2 per athlete, not per routine as one athlete could be on a few teams.
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Flipit (3) | Mon 5th Aug 2019 - 15:40
 
Per Athlete
Lets say total season comp fees are £100 but club charges £140. £40 admin fee?
Plus £30 music
Plus £30 insurance
Then there is the monthly coaching fees - eg, 15 hours a month =£55.

I do think it should be stated what admin fees are being charged - at £40 per athlete and potentially over 45 athletes that's £1800 admin fee, is this normal? If so could be a nice little earner for someone in need :)
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176.250.144.161 | Mon 5th Aug 2019 - 22:33
 
So a coach buys entry fees and spectator tickets at early bird prices and then charges more than late entry? so imagine early bird is £20 entry and £10 spectator. The coach then charges £30 entry fee and £25 spectator which I know happens.
Now imagine there’s 100 athletes with two parents per athlete.
The club has just made £1000 on athletes and £3000 for spectators.
£4000 profit for registering athletes and buying spectator tickets?
Guarantee tu
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176.250.144.161 | Mon 5th Aug 2019 - 22:34
 
Guarantee this isn’t taxed either
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86.158.247.113 | Mon 5th Aug 2019 - 22:54
 
You are also forgetting all the athletes who get registered for comp and then drop out without paying their comp fee!! Where does the money come from for that? Because the coach certainly can’t get it back. It comes from the admin charge. The coach has covered their own back. But will still most likely lose money on comp fees anyway
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176.250.144.161 | Tue 6th Aug 2019 - 06:52
 
Transparency would help but sometimes it looks like greed.
So one athletes drops out and the coach loses the £25 early bird fee. They have 100 other athletes paying a heavy mark up plus spectator tickets mark up.
I very much doubt these type of coaches ever go short
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Flipit (3) | Tue 6th Aug 2019 - 11:50
 
@post28 that's exactly it - this kind of activity is sadly making the industry look greedy and more so it's pricing parents out, and then the children suffer :(((
@post31 Yes, it should be transparent and regulated.
@post30 Clubs collect entry fees way before the early entry deadline, they have no risk of loosing out - If they are not doing this way then that's their own problem.
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85.255.234.136 | Tue 6th Aug 2019 - 16:29
 
You don't go to the hairdresser's and pay £40 for a haircut and ask them to breakdown how much is for the shampoo, how much for rent, how much on insurance, how much profit they make. You're paying for the service.

I see cheer similar. Some clubs are very transparent and breakdown everything for parents, others just charge an all-in monthly fee including competition entry, neither is wrong. As long as they let you know costs up front then it's up to you to accept it or go elsewhere.
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90.152.0.6 | Tue 6th Aug 2019 - 16:45
 
@post33, here here. Every business has more than just the basic costs to cover. As others have said, the admin of entry fees is time consuming. Cheer providers don't need to break down the costs of everything the same way other services don't. As long as they are letting you know in advance the cost of everything then it should all be good
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Sat 17th Aug 2019, 21:18
it's true though isn't it it, look at the starting line up for cheer then look at the kids that actually went, many pulled out along the year and kids had to be pulled in that hadn't originally got in to fill the places. if this was a national football team and the biggest pool of talent (let's not deny it the only two teams that compete at this level are goldstar and jc so therefore the majority of the best athletes in the country are going to be there for cheer anyways) you would be asking why arnt we putting our best foot forward. this will only happen once there is a fair and unbiased system in place and no one can blame these teams for staying clear of this until there is a better system. i applaud every kid that goes for this but it's a national team, it's just about giving these kids the experience it's about doing our best and not being a laughing stock when we step out of the mat because the kids arnt anywhere near ready for this level of competition
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Sat 17th Aug 2019, 21:02
Omg your all embarrassing ..broken records .. violins out 🎻
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Sat 17th Aug 2019, 20:40
It’s the CDC and Rockstar machine now, if it was fair people would be jumping at the chance to compete but it is NOT! Teams also don’t want to lose athletes to CDC coaches from getting in there ears! What coaches would want to send their athletes knowing what’s going to happen! I salute them for not sending them! TS could be amazing
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Sat 17th Aug 2019, 19:50
because some teams do not need to fall into line and work under a shady system for their athletes to be successful so choice not to be involved.
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Sat 17th Aug 2019, 19:14
Having read all comments I can’t understand why all Scottish teams can’t come together!
In doing so creating an amazing elite team of athletes,instead people are choosing to criticise those willing to stand up & be counted.
Teams such as JC & gold star would bring a lot to team Scotland however as both teams don’t seem to be involved then why knock CDC.
Having been to comps in Scotland & England CDC without question have amazing coaching staff with a wealth of experience & success.In my opinion I would be delighted for my child when old enough to compete as part of a national team.This is definitely something for children to be proud of...why any coach would stop a child participating is beyond me!!!!
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