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92.40.200.153 | Sun 6th Sep 2020 - 19:27
 
So everyone is kicking off that UKCA is wanting to put a proposal into Sport England to become the official NGB for cheer.
I get that, and I get why we should all support SCE instead.

However the comments that UKCA should not be the NGB as they are an EP is kind of irrelevant seeing as one half of the directors of SCE also runs an EP!!
SCE is run by Angela and Amanda.. Amanda is a director/Manager of Future Cheer.

Surely if UKCA is a conflict of interest then this should be too.

Let’s all petition to have no EP or anyone affiliated with an EP to be running our NGB. That way we can say with confidence that everything being done is for the best interest of our coaches and athletes And not any EP gain.
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92.40.192.74 | Sun 6th Sep 2020 - 19:48
 
Totally agree with you, sce has my full support but that is a very valid point even though I cant see how it would be possible. Hopefully they get this sorted soon and things can start getting back to some kind of normality.
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Purplerain (6) | Sun 6th Sep 2020 - 19:49
 
@post1, If you have an issue with Amanda why don't you write your grievances to Joanna. I am sure she would be all open ears. Very approachable lady.

I would also say with UKCA wanting to be governing body they do not follow anywhere near the same rules and guidelines that SCUK follow.

Also, SCUK is recognised by ICU, who are recognised by the IOC. You could also go as far as saying USASF who are the American governing body has an elected board that has team and EP affiliation. USASF is basically Varsity.
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81.158.107.17 | Sun 6th Sep 2020 - 20:21
 
Lol. This feud has been going on for years!! There’s no way it’s ending anytime soon
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81.101.65.22 | Sun 6th Sep 2020 - 20:55
 
What I don't understand is why have UKCA not put the work In to establish themselves as a worthy contender to represent us as a sport?

Where is their Return To Play proposal?

Why have they not made steps to be recognised by the IOC?

You can't just call yourself a governing body for a sport because there wasn't one previously and there are many elements that need to be put in place to be recognised by Sport England.
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79.64.232.162 | Sun 6th Sep 2020 - 20:57
 
Can someone please summarise what the historic issues are with UKCA and how we have got to this point? Who fell out with who for it to come to this? (Don’t have to name names but I’m sure I’m not the only one who is curious how this point has been reached)
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85.255.232.82 | Sun 6th Sep 2020 - 23:34
 
Why are UKCA trying to stop cheer getting back to some normality?
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92.40.192.74 | Mon 7th Sep 2020 - 00:49
 
From what I can see on their website, they are offering none stunt divisions instead and have taken out the chant sections unless its pre recorded.
Tbh I had barely heard of them until now, after over 11 years in having a child in this I like to think I know most of the teams but I only recognised one team from some past events they have had. No offence to the kids that do go to these companies but it looks like a comp from back when we started in terms of the routines, uniforms, very basic score sheets and comp venues. How can these guys be calling the shots when they arnt represnting probably about 99% of the actual cheer community.
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86.155.77.235 | Mon 7th Sep 2020 - 06:48
 
@post1, with SportCheer England the board is made up of a mixture of people with representatives from different organisations. This is how a board should be as a variety of people stops it from being controlled too much by one company.

I can't actually workout who is behind UKCA (without going on Companies House) and I think we deserve to know who the people are that are trying to represent us.

Also, UKCA have been very quiet for months. It they legitimately believe they deserve to be out NGB they should at the very least have been giving us an idea of what their RTP guidance looks like
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81.158.107.17 | Mon 7th Sep 2020 - 07:31
 
Pat Hawkins runs UKCA
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213.205.240.227 | Mon 7th Sep 2020 - 08:24
 
@post10, yes which is all well and good but I cannot find any information on the UKCA website about who makes up the board or any other jobs. Why should anonymous people be representing my interests as a cheerleader?

On the SportCheer England website you can clearly see who is involved
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81.158.107.17 | Mon 7th Sep 2020 - 09:32
 
@post11 That’s UKCA for you lol
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51.219.131.66 | Mon 7th Sep 2020 - 11:49
 
I'm shocked that UKCA have not yet released a statement, just makes them look more shady.

They have had since Friday and most company's have something in place to prepare comms over the weekend if something vital comes up.

If they legitimately believe they are our true NGB then they should let us know what they envision the future of our sport to be and how they are supporting us easing back into cheer.
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46.237.174.111 | Mon 7th Sep 2020 - 11:52
 
Tbh I thought ukca had gone under years ago! The fact that they still exist amazes me. Seems they are only really active in Manchester now.
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82.9.180.141 | Mon 7th Sep 2020 - 13:51
 
Even if you look at UKCA’s Instagram..... not one post even remotely related to covid 19, no guidance, no return to play, no strategy, no statement. Just plugs for their own events and “Team UK”.. It almost feels like they don’t have much left to lose and are taking everyone else down with them.

Sad times for the sport if we can’t be taken seriously and look like we even have a governing body (even though we have one that the majority feels best represents us) . Feels like they’ve just pulled us all backwards. Who sent them? !!!
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213.205.240.227 | Mon 7th Sep 2020 - 17:27
 
@post15, Still nothing from them on this topic. Very disappointing and continues to make their intentions questionable
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213.205.240.227 | Mon 7th Sep 2020 - 17:32
 
Oh but they have just posted about team UK... I expect it is a scheduled post but still! Read the room... Let us know what is going on
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79.76.131.0 | Mon 7th Sep 2020 - 19:35
 
What is UKCA?
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92.40.192.74 | Mon 7th Sep 2020 - 19:49
 
https://ukca.org.uk
These guys
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79.76.131.0 | Mon 7th Sep 2020 - 20:14
 
Do they do still do competitions? My daughter has done cheer for 8 years and never heard of them
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109.249.184.201 | Mon 7th Sep 2020 - 20:36
 
@post20 I think they used to have a bigger following but has dwindled over the years with other EPs offering sprung floors and favouring IASF rules and scoresheets, and with USASF/IASF/ICU worlds gaining way more popularity rather than the europeans or worlds UKCA follows. It is very old school grassroots I think, dead floors, cheer chants, etc
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86.155.77.235 | Tue 8th Sep 2020 - 22:12
 
UKCA have now released their return to cheer guidelines. It is available on their Facebook and website for anyone curious.

It is not clear if it has been approved by the DCMS. Looks like they are just trying to slip it out there
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91.125.210.207 | Wed 9th Sep 2020 - 10:15
 
It's not approved by the DCMS, anything officially approved goes on a specific government webpage.
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82.9.180.141 | Wed 9th Sep 2020 - 11:05
 
DCMS, will only approve strategy approved by a NGB. which UKCA is not. Unfortunately as they’ve got themselves involved and said that they are (retrospectively as the return to play was due way before the 1st sept) it’s put a halt on it all.

. It’s a shame as if you look at the return to play for other contact sports such as rugby, the level of contact and time of contact is really similar to SCE strategy.

Given today’s news on further restrictions Cheer should be managing the upcoming hurdles like other reputable sports, but because of UKCA we’ve not even got a foot in the door. I Can’t imagine any other sports that have submitted 2 conflicting strategy’s. The K in UKCA most defo stands for Karens 🙄
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188.29.164.169 | Wed 9th Sep 2020 - 15:45
 
By the time this is all sorted out it will be next season 🙄🙄 feel fornthesenkidsbthat are missing out. Our summit and worlds bid winners not being able to practice (that's if they even get to go) for some of them it really is the last chance after missing it last year. We need clear guidance on what is going to happen and what we can do, no wonder cheer isntbtaken seriously
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148.252.128.192 | Wed 9th Sep 2020 - 23:36
 
I hope everyone remembers the issues UKCA have caused the UK cheerleading world when attending competitions next year..
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86.147.73.153 | Thu 10th Sep 2020 - 19:59
 
This has been trying to be sorted for the past 10 years I wouldn’t hold your breath
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86.155.77.235 | Thu 10th Sep 2020 - 20:24
 
Hopefully the amount of publicity this time will help though. UKCA will see the number of people they've irritated.... I hope that teams boycott them unless they sort it out
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92.40.192.0 | Thu 10th Sep 2020 - 20:48
 
Who actually goes? I had a look through the pictures and only recognised one team and it didnt seem that it was many of the teams they do have.
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86.155.77.235 | Thu 10th Sep 2020 - 22:38
 
@post29, Hartlepool Hawks is the only team I recognise that I've seen go.

I always thought it was an entry level competition... Didn't realise until recently that they had been around for so long
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92.40.192.0 | Thu 10th Sep 2020 - 23:07
 
Yeah that's who I recognised
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91.125.210.162 | Fri 11th Sep 2020 - 10:16
 
Most UKCA teams do UKCA fairly exclusively as the rules etc. are quite different to all the other comps so swapping between is quite hard. I went to one of their comps years ago and its very different, the skills allowed in levels are slightly different (though not majorly), the age groups are different, its a dead floor, you chant at the start of your cheer routines and dance wise they offer completely different divisions.

UKCA definitely keep to themselves and do their own thing.
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92.0.91.106 | Fri 11th Sep 2020 - 17:35
 
@post32 yikes glad my daughters team doesn’t do those comps
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213.205.194.221 | Fri 11th Sep 2020 - 18:19
 
@post32, very interesting! I think it is a shame that they are trying to speak for the majority when they represent so few teams.

#boycottUKCA
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81.141.16.36 | Sat 12th Sep 2020 - 01:17
 
if they keep to themselves so much why are they acting like they’re the UKGB? just frustrating everyone really
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86.147.73.153 | Sat 12th Sep 2020 - 04:33
 
They have some sort of accreditation from years ago when they teamed up with British gymnastics. That’s why they are seen as the NGB
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79.64.232.162 | Sun 13th Sep 2020 - 00:25
 
At the risk of sounding divisive, if the UKCA model of cheer is so different to what most of our community know as cheerleading, should it not be categorised as two separate activities? Sort of like how gymnastics and parkour are two different activities with similar roots. (Sorry I can’t think of a better example) Then UKCA can be the governing body for their version of cheer and SCE can govern all star cheer, just for the sake of everyone being able to make the best of things! I can’t see how the two styles of cheer are ever going to agree on one governing body as neither will feel they are represented. Of course that raises a million questions about what each would be called and how we would distinguish between the two and what happens to the few crossover similarities...
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92.40.192.1 | Sun 13th Sep 2020 - 03:22
 
That makes a lot of sense @post37
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92.40.192.0 | Sun 13th Sep 2020 - 03:37
 
Maybe a daft question but I was just wondering. Since dance seems to be going ahead as normal pretty much. Can the dancers touch each other in routines as it stands just now. I mean things like lifts or any kind of partner work? I'm assuming pom swaps are out? I'm just trying to picture how routines would look if this does not change. It's not long until the first comps of the season are scheduled
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91.125.210.162 | Mon 14th Sep 2020 - 09:21
 
@post39 Only non contact and socially distanced dancing is allowed until the distancing rules change. So no lifts etc.
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92.40.192.0 | Mon 14th Sep 2020 - 10:25
 
That's what I thought, going to make for a very interesting season, that's if we get to compete at all. Even by next year I cant see large venues being allowed to open. Kids possibly only having a few months if that to work on stunts that they haven't done for the beat part of a year.
Without the income from spectator tickets, merch, plus surely they cant expect the same payment for routines. How are EPs going to survive this?
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So call the police and report them?
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Thu 17th Sep 2020, 21:08
Stars have put videos on their insta stories today of them stunting after SCE have said it’s definitely not allowed...
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Mon 14th Sep 2020, 10:25
That's what I thought, going to make for a very interesting season, that's if we get to compete at all. Even by next year I cant see large venues being allowed to open. Kids possibly only having a few months if that to work on stunts that they haven't done for the beat part of a year.
Without the income from spectator tickets, merch, plus surely they cant expect the same payment for routines. How are EPs going to survive this?
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Mon 14th Sep 2020, 09:21
@post39 Only non contact and socially distanced dancing is allowed until the distancing rules change. So no lifts etc.
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Mon 14th Sep 2020, 08:42
So with new restrictions coming into place how are the courses such as BGU continuing to run?
Will demo athletes be stunting? The last course I went on the demo team stunted to show us grips etc.
Surely this any happen now as contact is not allowed?

Interested to know if it’s still worth booking coaches onto a course they won’t get full benefit from..

Are we better just doing online qualifications instead?
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