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FC dance bids
Wednesday 17th of July 2019, 21:37
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90.204.166.75 | Sun 7th Jul 2019 - 10:06
 
So who got world bids yesterday? From the FC Facebook looks like they have one AL and three PP.
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92.7.68.229 | Sun 7th Jul 2019 - 13:07
 
At Large
ADA Dominion All Girl Hip Hop
TCA Thrones All Girl Hip Hop

Partial Paid
ADA Dark Angels Coed Hip Hop
RSD Leading Ladies Jazz
Gold Star Galaxy Pom
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213.205.242.233 | Sun 7th Jul 2019 - 13:08
 
Weird that SA Lyrical didn’t upgrade to a PP as the score was right up there!
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85.255.234.6 | Sun 7th Jul 2019 - 13:29
 
It should have been SA
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82.132.222.21 | Sun 7th Jul 2019 - 13:41
 
SA weren’t in the Worlds round so maybe they said they didn’t want dance bids?

Maybe they are going to take Cru5h instead or something IDK
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213.205.242.233 | Sun 7th Jul 2019 - 13:43
 
Oh that makes sense. Fair play to them they’ve had a great season!
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149.254.235.7 | Sun 7th Jul 2019 - 14:40
 
SA have a cheer paid bid this year so going with cheer not dance as too many of the girls are in bitth cheer and dance teams
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90.204.166.75 | Sun 7th Jul 2019 - 15:43
 
I thought Dominion got a bit at BCA?
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92.7.68.229 | Sun 7th Jul 2019 - 16:49
 
They definitely did so they must have declined it?

Are SA declining their Jamfest bids then?

Will either of these bids be handed down?
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188.29.165.196 | Sun 7th Jul 2019 - 17:00
 
Ada didn’t decline their bid from BCA so not sure how they managed to get another AL for the same team??
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176.251.141.212 | Sun 7th Jul 2019 - 22:54
 
Ada in BCA qualified in small so now they have a small all girl team and also a large both called dominion
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80.44.193.78 | Sun 7th Jul 2019 - 23:33
 
Star spirit jazz had a AL bid from BCA upgraded to pp at Jamfest so there should be an AL bid from BCA available. So next in line from BCA dance would be Hawks Intensity Pom.

Then if SA have declined all 3 dance bids then there are 3 now to be handed down from Jamfest..

Gold star galaxy POM and RSD jazz also had AL bid from ICC but today took PP from FC so there are now 2 bids from ICC at bat could be handed down..
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213.205.242.233 | Sun 7th Jul 2019 - 23:49
 
It’s not actually legal to hand at large bids down so EPs are under no obligation to do so.
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80.44.193.78 | Mon 8th Jul 2019 - 00:04
 
BCA handed down bid last year to Cheerforce 10
ICC handed down a bid to RHF
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85.255.236.85 | Mon 8th Jul 2019 - 00:09
 
Who would want go on a hand me down bid ? If they can't get bid in Uk what chance they got
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92.7.68.229 | Mon 8th Jul 2019 - 00:16
 
If an at large bid is upgraded to PP an EP shouldn’t give it back out
It’s legal to hand down bids IF the original bid is declined within 72 hours of receiving it

Therefore the only possibility is if SA declined their bids from Jamfest. If they did then their PP should go to the next team in line and the remaining two AL should go to the next two teams
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213.205.242.233 | Mon 8th Jul 2019 - 08:52
 
So basically if SA have no intention of taking dance but haven’t declined they are blocking other people’s chances? @post15 CF Ten went on a hand me down in 2019 and were the most successful English team in pom.
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149.254.235.7 | Mon 8th Jul 2019 - 08:58
 
SA have declined all dance bids from JAMfest within 72 hours
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109.156.93.157 | Mon 8th Jul 2019 - 09:03
 
@post18, why did they decline the bids? Don't they want to g
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kayemm (156) | Mon 8th Jul 2019 - 10:00
 
@post19 I think someone posted elsewhere that it's because they want to take their cheer bid and have too many crossovers from the dance teams to cheer to take them all as well.
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kaurcheer (2) | Mon 8th Jul 2019 - 11:45
 
Big mistake on SA's part if that's true. Their dance teams have done really well and yet they are going to take their cheer team who have just come 7th out of 8 on AG and 13th out of 15 level 5 teams who competed at Bournemouth.
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94.197.120.127 | Mon 8th Jul 2019 - 17:02
 
I’ve been told BCA are not handing down any bids this year.
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82.132.221.207 | Mon 8th Jul 2019 - 18:05
 
Well that’s hardly fair when last years handed down bid was actually a cheer bid that they gave to Cheerforce 10 for dance....
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82.132.244.172 | Tue 9th Jul 2019 - 23:24
 
Of course BCA won’t hand bids down this year because it’s not one of their friends who will benefit this time 😂😂😂
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92.40.249.237 | Wed 10th Jul 2019 - 07:44
 
And didn’t CF do well? I mean getting slated on here and at worlds they beat all the other English teams, some people are so bitter.
I’m sad that Sharon Ann aren’t going to take their bids as they were amazing at worlds and their choreography is always gripping.
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80.44.193.78 | Wed 10th Jul 2019 - 08:15
 
I really like Cheerforce and they smashed worlds! And I really think the bid and
The Kudos that comes with it helped them.
However isn’t it only fair that another team get that opportunity from BCA?
I also would usually stick up for BCA but that is blatant bias!!
Another team deserve that bid.
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92.40.249.237 | Wed 10th Jul 2019 - 08:24
 
I agree, if the team decline their bid then another team should be given the opportunity
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92.40.249.44 | Wed 10th Jul 2019 - 08:55
 
Looking at the results though there is no-one else that would deserve a bid. All the teams next in line now have bids from either jamfest or FC.
Just because BCA handed down bids last year doesn’t mean they have to this year, it’s yheir choice!
They also gave out more bids this year too and only have one cheer and one dance bid that have been declined I assume due to upgrades (PSC and Star Sprit) so have still given out more than last year.

Has ICC handed down any of their bids? Has Jamfest handed down the bids SA have declined? Surely it’s just the same for these eps and not fair on the teams next in line at those events?
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82.132.244.102 | Wed 10th Jul 2019 - 10:26
 
Hawks don’t have a bid yet and let’s all remember they beat the almighty amazing cheer force on day 1 of worlds and all of last season.... i’d say they’re more than deserving and can’t believe they don’t have one yet!
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194.72.240.51 | Wed 10th Jul 2019 - 11:25
 
SA Have declined their HIP HOP bid from jamfest but have kept hold of their Jazz and Lyrical bids as they are hoping to take the dance teams as well as the cheer team next season to worlds
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80.44.193.78 | Wed 10th Jul 2019 - 15:20
 
I just think it’s unfair that last year (both bca & icc) decide to hand down bids but this year don’t. They say they aren’t biased... then prove it! I know RHF have had at least 2 handed down bids over the years and Cheerforce did last year so fair is fair.
Unless like people suspect it’s not their “friends” who need the bid so they don’t care...
Hawks deserve that bid!
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80.44.193.78 | Wed 10th Jul 2019 - 15:26
 
Just looked at BCA results from the world bid round and FLM hip hop & Firebird Hip Hop also had a great scores! They deserve a bid!
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kayemm (156) | Wed 10th Jul 2019 - 15:38
 
@post32 Firebird have an AL hip hop bid from Scotcheer
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89.243.176.218 | Wed 10th Jul 2019 - 16:46
 
I didn't think you were allowed to hand down bids, maybe USASF are tightening up on how these are being awarded?
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92.7.68.229 | Wed 10th Jul 2019 - 17:06
 
Bids that are upgraded elsewhere should NEVER be handed down as per the rules, upgraded bids just disappear. If bids are declined then those can be handed down if the EP sees fit.

Therefore this season Jamfest are the only company who have a potential (legal) bid to hand down as it was declined by the recipient. However the time frame has passed so, using IASF rules, these bids are now set in stone.
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31.54.84.4 | Wed 10th Jul 2019 - 19:32
 
@post31, who did icc hand a bid down to? Just curious as pretty sure they didnt
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80.44.193.78 | Wed 10th Jul 2019 - 21:27
 
@post36 they handed down a dance bid to RHF one of their staff went to their training and presented it to them. I was at ICC nationals 2018 and I know they didn’t get it there. It’s also on their Instagram when they were awarded it.

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The bid last year that Cheerforce Got was because a team upgraded from AL to PP at Jamfest.... so it was ok last year..?. but not this year?? Point proven.
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86.30.93.154 | Wed 10th Jul 2019 - 23:31
 
@post37 You seem to be very invested in every other team but your own? Maybe that’s why you don’t have a bid.

CF10 and RHF have both earned their bids fair and square this year.
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80.44.193.78 | Wed 10th Jul 2019 - 23:46
 
@post38 I agree! They certainly have but fair is fair and last year it was all good and well passing bids around but now all of a sudden it’s not... double standards and another way of our sport acting corrupt. The rules shouldn’t change depending on the beneficiaries.
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89.243.176.218 | Thu 11th Jul 2019 - 06:56
 
The rules aren't set by the EPs and IASF used to over look that countries like ourselves didn't abide by the rules because we give bids a season in advance. They have now included rules specifically for 2 season countries and these are being enforced, the EPs hands are tied.
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86.30.93.154 | Thu 11th Jul 2019 - 08:02
 
@post39 the rules are constantly changing as the above post explains.

You can’t change the past and handed down bidsor new rules that have come into place, you can go focus on your team instead of sitting on here spitting your dummy out because you don’t have a bid.
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80.44.193.78 | Thu 11th Jul 2019 - 08:25
 
@post41 I’m happy they have bids. As I’ve said it’s not about that. I just hope everyone can now stick to the rules. And even make them clear. Funny how people are quick to get the rule book out once they are called out on it.
And don’t make out I’m being bitter about it.. I’m voicing my opinion about something that really shouldn’t have happened.
Plus it was you who in May on a BCA thread stated “it’s who you know not what you know”
“BCA results look fishy”
“Shame the best teams in England still don’t have a bid... hawks, FLM, star spirit”
“Cheerforce10 scores were too close to JC & Phoenix Flames”
Maybe that was you spitting your dummy out before you clearly got a bid.
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85.255.235.67 | Thu 11th Jul 2019 - 11:04
 
Is this all because hawks don't have bid ?
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82.132.244.56 | Thu 11th Jul 2019 - 14:07
 
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As seen as EPs are now sticking to the rules regards bids.....
Do you know wether all the IASF new rules will be implemented then in 2020? As IASF have stated that no team can receive a bid in another country when their own county have an event that offered bids.
Ie. Scotland have scotcheer that offer bids so if we stick to the rules no Scottish team can receive a bid in England...?
Will this be implemented or will there be another loop hole?
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5.148.95.226 | Thu 11th Jul 2019 - 15:23
 
@post44 This new ruling will probably affect bids given out next season yes. What remains to be seen is if they'll go by the individual countries in the UK or just lump everyone together under "United Kingdom"
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109.149.151.226 | Thu 11th Jul 2019 - 16:27
 
@post45 Thankyou.
This is the danger isn’t it... discrepancies everywhere and as seen as we have separate governing bodies for our national teams and our governing bodies then it should be each country.
However if we all go together as UK then this will also mean only 3 teams from the whole of the UK qualifying for finals.
And also will this mean one national UK team? Instead of england Ireland Scotland wales. Not sure that will go down well. This will open a can of worms if it isn’t made clear.
Let’s hope the rules are clear before Our season starts.
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82.43.90.99 | Thu 11th Jul 2019 - 17:29
 
Haha the English teams don’t like that Scottish teams win there bids in there country by the sounds of the post above !!
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109.149.151.226 | Thu 11th Jul 2019 - 18:34
 
@post47 no it’s not that at all. It’s more a concern for them because if they implement the rules properly (like the world bid hand down saga) then all Scottish teams will only be able to obtain a bid from scotcheer. English teams will all have FC, Jamfest, ICC & BCA so English teams aren’t the ones who need to worry.
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92.7.68.229 | Thu 11th Jul 2019 - 19:13
 
If Scotland want to be “SCOTLAND” at worlds then they should win Scottish bids... simple.

If a German team can’t win a bid in england, then neither should a Scottish team? Why should it be any different especially now England, NI, Wales and Scotland are all establishing their own national governing bodies?
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92.7.68.229 | Thu 11th Jul 2019 - 19:14
 
If Scotland want English bids (as UK) then let’s make our ICU teams Team UK, and have all cheer and dance teams battle it out for finals at IASF worlds under United Kingdom not split countries... you can’t have it both ways IMO
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185.69.145.18 | Thu 11th Jul 2019 - 20:03
 
Scottish teams have a worry in front of them then then , as only couple teams will get bids now . I do like idea of team Uk but again limits bids
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82.43.90.99 | Thu 11th Jul 2019 - 20:31
 
Yes but some of those governing bodies are only out to help certain people/teams that’s never going to work in Scotland. As most people we’ll know. There not England’s bids there I’m companies in that case those companies can start offering bid events in Scotland. No big worlds teams go to scotcheer.
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109.149.151.226 | Thu 11th Jul 2019 - 20:38
 
That’s why I think FC and BCA have started doing events in Scotland. But you have to have so many teams / athletes signed up to your events before IASF give you bids to give out. This takes years of building. Legacy are trying to get world bid status for the UK but have been turned down so far. I’m sure they will eventually but it’s a long process.
That’s why years ago only 3 bids were awarded then it went up and up over the years as the events grew. So only then, once these events are well established, will these EPs be able to offer world bids in Scotland
Rules are rules and if EPs are setting their precedent as sticking to the IASF rules for worlds bids (as suggested in this thread) then they HAVE to stick to the rule of bids being awarded in that country to that countries teams only.
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92.7.68.229 | Thu 11th Jul 2019 - 20:43
 
I agree I don’t think all Scottish teams should have to get them from Scotcheer, but as per the rules they should have to win them in their country if everyone else does. So maybe ICC, BCA, FC could allocate some of their bids to Scottish competition or something?
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85.255.236.221 | Thu 11th Jul 2019 - 20:57
 
Hopefully something can be worked out as Jc and Goldstar have been attending worlds for years and they both never go Scotcheer , they always get their bids In England . If they then do go Scotcheer then there would be war as they potentially could take the bids from likes of cdc , rockstar and Phoenix flames who do attend every year .
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89.243.176.218 | Thu 11th Jul 2019 - 21:24
 
There are distance restrictions for bid events which means that all the other events held in Glasgow can't give bids out because they are too close to the SECC where scotcheer is held. Maybe with scotcheer moving back to Dundee this will open up Glasgow as a bid location to one of the other EPs
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86.8.202.50 | Thu 11th Jul 2019 - 21:32
 
would eps split the bids dance/cheer? there is no point having any cheer bids in scotland with no teams that i can think of being at that level. really interesting to see how this works out
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92.22.10.22 | Thu 11th Jul 2019 - 22:31
 
@post53 FC has had a Scottish comp for years! It would be bigger if it wasn’t the same weekend as BCA Super Classic which, obviously attracts a lot of the Scottish teams for the bids. It used to be much bigger before it started clashing.
The BCA competition in Scotland was huge when I first started cheering in around 2005/6. I don’t know why they stopped it but it was great to see it back and well attended this year.

The problem is that all the big competitions are in Glasgow so they aren’t all allowed to give out bids.
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81.103.27.53 | Thu 11th Jul 2019 - 22:36
 
Well scotcheers nationals is in Dundee next season
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85.255.235.152 | Thu 11th Jul 2019 - 23:42
 
I think Fc Will give bids at Scotland next year
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90.208.63.145 | Fri 12th Jul 2019 - 00:05
 
you couldn’t trust Scotcheer comps to hand out all the bids. Imagine some of the teams that would get bids because they are their pals !!!
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5.68.206.12 | Fri 12th Jul 2019 - 00:54
 
Can’t trust scotcheer because they say they’ll have our PP bids and don’t !!
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85.255.233.15 | Fri 12th Jul 2019 - 01:41
 
Definitely wouldn't trust Scotcheer , never get p/p
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89.243.176.218 | Fri 12th Jul 2019 - 06:59
 
Hmm isn't that against the rules? I thought you had to give out a partial paid bid to be able to give out at large bids? I'm sure the rules are EPs must award and fully pay at least one partial paid bid to be able to give up to six at large bids.
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31.221.79.8 | Fri 12th Jul 2019 - 09:34
 
They are not a fair company and it’s not fair to put the Scottish teams with a company they can not trust !!
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kayemm (156) | Fri 12th Jul 2019 - 09:46
 
I think Scotcheer would need to improve the quality of their competition and the experience if they were to become the only place Scottish teams could get bids to Worlds. It'll be interesting to see how it is in the new venue this coming year.
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148.252.128.53 | Fri 12th Jul 2019 - 10:01
 
Scotcheer are not professional enough to be only ep to give out bids in Scotland, if programmes have to get bid in Scotland then something needs be done
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31.221.79.8 | Fri 12th Jul 2019 - 10:33
 
Shame really as Scotland has the most talent in dance divisions, are they really not going to allow teams like Jc and goldstar to go because they won’t attend an ep they don’t trust to be fair to there teams!!
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82.132.230.245 | Fri 12th Jul 2019 - 11:46
 
It is a shame but it’s not fair if Scotland are the only country allowed to travel for bids so hopefully something will be done to make it work

Guarantee the EP’s will find a loophole though and still give bids in England which is just ridiculous really when everyone else follows rules
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86.128.83.224 | Fri 12th Jul 2019 - 11:55
 
In the nicest possible way it’s really not a case of scotcheer being biased or even unprofessional. It’s the fact that the comp is a complete farce - almost every one of the scoresheets from this year had tipex and/or WRONG scores eg 5.5/5 jumps or 11/10 dance. That is absolutely basic, hiring judges who have a clue. Scotland absolutely have to find a way to get other bids to another eP up here
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92.40.249.3 | Sat 13th Jul 2019 - 23:08
 
@post60, FC won’t give bids at their Scottish event. Each UK ep is only allowed to nominate one event as a worlds bid giving event as per the IASF rules.
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80.2.111.222 | Sat 13th Jul 2019 - 23:56
 
Who says this rule will be implemented.
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92.7.68.229 | Sun 14th Jul 2019 - 06:44
 
No one, but it should be if every other country has to follow the rules
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80.44.193.78 | Sun 14th Jul 2019 - 07:36
 
EPs are implementing all the other rules and especially regarding world bids. So they really should do. Only following “some rules” would make a mockery of our sport in UK
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82.132.216.27 | Sun 14th Jul 2019 - 08:05
 
@post71 where have you seen that rule? These are the rules (link below) for becoming or maintaining an event as a sanctioned world's bid event. The was I read them is per competition not event producer. As I've said previously above I believe the reason no one else gives out bids in Scotland is their proximity to Glasgow and the existing bid event.

Unfortunately for Scotcheer upon reading these rules it seems like they should have a three year ban on giving bids as they haven't awarded and therefore full paid for their partial paid bid.


http://www.iasfworlds.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/02/The-IASF-Cheerleading-Dance-Worlds-Bids-Application-Process-b.pdf
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80.44.193.78 | Sun 14th Jul 2019 - 09:53
 
@post75 Thankyou for the link.
As I understand it, it does say one nationals event or one designated event.


“For Event Producers that have a national championship or designate one of their major competitions as their “Worlds Qualifying Event” for purposes of The IASF Cheerleading and or Dance World’s bids.”


I read this to mean one event.
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94.11.110.26 | Sun 14th Jul 2019 - 10:56
 
@post75, In the UK we don't give full pay bids. if you look at the bid events in America the companies only have one bid event.
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31.221.79.8 | Sun 14th Jul 2019 - 11:29
 
Well I can honestly say these teams won’t attend scotcheer, there two of the best in Scotland and they can’t attend worlds because of a certain competition!! Ridiculous !!
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85.255.235.154 | Sun 14th Jul 2019 - 11:49
 
@post78 that’s their choice not to attend that competition though. At the end of the day the opportunity for them to get bids in Scotland is there if they don’t take it that’s on them.
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92.7.68.229 | Sun 14th Jul 2019 - 12:44
 
@post78 it’s a huge shame as the Scottish teams are amazing, but unfortunately if this rule is put into place why shouldn’t Scotland follow it just like everyone else? Being good doesn’t mean you should be able to break rules. I’m sure many countries have issues with not enough bids for their great teams, especially small countries.
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31.221.79.8 | Sun 14th Jul 2019 - 13:02
 
Would you go to an event where you don’t trust the organisers, the company or the judging ? No why would any coach out there programme through that it’s not a good company to represent at worlds level in my opinion.
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90.208.63.145 | Sun 14th Jul 2019 - 13:09
 
Come on.

The competition for a bid at FC nationals is A LOT higher than the standard in Scotland where realistically there’s only a few teams capable of competing at worlds level.
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79.66.10.251 | Sun 14th Jul 2019 - 13:41
 
@post77 typo I meant they haven't paid in full their partial paid bid. The rules essentially said if they can't prove they paid the winning team the correct money for a partial paid bid then they are banned for three years. They have only given at large bids it should be one partial paid for every three at large.

@post76 if we are not acting as a united kingdom then they can have a Scottish nationals and give bids surely?
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213.205.241.92 | Sun 14th Jul 2019 - 15:43
 
Surely that means FC/BCA etc can hold a nationals/bid event in England and also a second one in Scotland?
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79.66.10.251 | Sun 14th Jul 2019 - 16:21
 
And a third in Wales
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94.197.120.63 | Sun 14th Jul 2019 - 16:25
 
No point in having one in Wales when there’s only like 3 teams there that go to worlds
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79.66.10.251 | Sun 14th Jul 2019 - 17:04
 
Are there any bid events in Wales ? If not those teams won't be going
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92.7.68.229 | Sun 14th Jul 2019 - 18:55
 
Wales are allowed to gain bids in England (or any country) because they have no bid giving events
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82.132.216.27 | Sun 14th Jul 2019 - 19:32
 
So if scotcheer was stripped of its ability to give bids because it has broke the rules the same would apply to Scotland ....
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213.205.242.218 | Sun 14th Jul 2019 - 21:52
 
This rule isn’t going ahead anyway. It was retracted almost immediately.
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80.44.193.78 | Sun 14th Jul 2019 - 22:21
 
@post90 from what I read it was retracted for the end of the UK season 2019. To give everyone notice. And so teams that already travelled would be honoured their bids.
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86.128.83.224 | Mon 15th Jul 2019 - 00:49
 
Wait if the above is true surely it’s in the Scottish team’s best interest to not have a bid event? I know it’s a pain to travel but surely better to have the chance of all those English bids (20+) vs the 3 (or 5 since I guess they did junior bids) from
Scotcheer?
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94.11.110.26 | Wed 17th Jul 2019 - 18:58
 
the bids are giving out as part of the uk http://www.iasfworlds.com/unitedkingdom/
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92.7.68.229 | Wed 17th Jul 2019 - 21:22
 
Quite ridiculous really when IASF have allowed the England, Wales, Scotland split since forever
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94.193.91.33 | Wed 17th Jul 2019 - 21:37
 
scotcheer shouldn’t be able to hand bids out in 2020 anyways, they didn’t offer any type of partial paid bid and also as they’re changing cities for nationals, the bid approval process states the event which gives out bids must’ve happened in the city at around about the same date for at least 2 years
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94.193.91.33 | Wed 17th Jul 2019 - 21:37
 
^ and Scotcheer nationals is moving to Dundee for 2020
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