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No adaptive ability team england this year
Tuesday 27th of July 2021, 00:21
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81.100.98.72 | Fri 11th Jun 2021 - 14:33
 
It's so sad to see that a big part of representation of disability within cheerleading has been stopped for an extra year.
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213.205.192.230 | Sat 12th Jun 2021 - 11:00
 
Weird they’ve already a year out where policies could’ve be put in place but their taking a year out for policies. And they said they were coming back two weeks ago. Whats happened?
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85.255.233.116 | Sat 12th Jun 2021 - 19:23
 
Personally I see it as a good thing. Adaptive abilities cheer isn’t growing within the sport therefore you end up with the same athletes year after year with no development. And then you have disabled athletes who demand a space on a team because they are disabled and don’t have the required skills.

I also think that some of the disabled athletes join the team without considering the impact of their needs on the rest of the team or consider the implications of travelling to florida and emergency situations that may occur.
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31.49.100.27 | Sat 12th Jun 2021 - 21:31
 
@post3 you see it as a good thing ? Personally as a disabled athlete I disagree with you ! I have the ability however I can’t be on a mainstream cheer team because unfortunately I wouldn’t be able to be on a mainstream worlds team. Things don’t grow overnight it took many many years for cheer to grow and develop to what it is today in the U.K. - cheerleading in the U.K. grew very slowly and I feel like AA is actually growing.
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185.69.145.43 | Mon 14th Jun 2021 - 20:51
 
Sorry but anyone else find the latest CFHTT Instagram post offensive? Yet another example of why Adaptive Abilities needs to be looked at. A non disabled athlete who thinks it is their god given right to be on the team and use it as an easy excuse to go to worlds.

You want to go to worlds? Maybe work hard, go to tumble classes and work your way up rather than just keep cheering on sparks level 1 team hun.
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82.132.221.70 | Mon 14th Jun 2021 - 21:43
 
@post5 you’ve hit the nail on the head. People who do para, a lot of them don’t give a shit about disabled athletes and want to go as an easy worlds win. Showing off their worlds rings at comps when they have L3 skills on a good day. If you really are an advocate for para, why this huge post focusing on your experience? Go to some open gyms, learn some skills and go to worlds off your own back. Do you even know how to spell Ehlers-Danlos? Do better.
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176.116.124.3 | Mon 14th Jun 2021 - 21:57
 
She has never spoken about paracheer before, never tried out but now her quick and easy fix to worlds isn’t happening she’s complaining... she needs to sort herself out and actually do something about it- she’s saying there’s no adaptive abilities teams to her knowledge, she has thousands of followers I’m sure there’s someone out there who can help if she’s that desperate to be in a team but she wouldn’t go to worlds so probably not.....
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81.100.98.72 | Mon 14th Jun 2021 - 22:51
 
@post5, ummm she has a chronic illness she's a disabled athlete. Just veacuse an athlete isn't in a wheelchair doesn't mean they arnt disabled
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81.100.98.72 | Tue 15th Jun 2021 - 00:22
 
Wow embarrassing, hidden disabilities are a thing her talk about england para cheer she literally starts it with a sorry she's not been too active beacuse of her chronic illness, which is a disability. Don't go attacking other athletes its not nice or fair.
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86.169.52.234 | Tue 15th Jun 2021 - 00:44
 
@post9 I’m not sure these people are the same, I don’t know who this person is, but the one who made the post said they made an effort to educate themselves and to be an ally, which made it sound less so like they’re a disabled athlete. Definitely; I have quite severe asthma, which is nowhere near as debilitating as some other conditions (and I wouldn’t count myself as someone with a disability) but still affects me as I try to cheer and condition to the same level as my team mates. I just feel like Paracheer can be great if the focus stays on keeping the sport inclusive and creating adaptations for people who need them. Putting it at worlds is also cool. What’s not cool is people using that as a way to flex on others and go to worlds with lower level skills, especially as able bodied athletes who don’t care about the cause. Maybe we need to focus on having a higher percentage of disabled athletes? Making it a safer place for them too.
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185.69.145.43 | Tue 15th Jun 2021 - 08:31
 
@post9 a chronic illness doesn’t always equate to a disability. She has been able to access allstar cheer without adaptations so why does she need paracheer? If she was that interested in paracheer why has she not extensively covered it before - why has she tried to charge Paracheer to promote them? Why has she not tried out before? Why is she assuming she would have got onto the team? Why is she making it about her when she hasn’t had any involvement in paracheer previously? Why is it about her being upset about not being able to go to worlds? The Sport Cheer England statement says that they will give the opportunity to an allstar paracheer team to represent at worlds - surely being a massive “advocate” for paracheer and having all that interest she should know what teams are around and she could try out for?

In my opinion she is yet another chancer riding on the coat tails of disabled athletes who cannot access allstar cheer!
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51.219.131.66 | Tue 15th Jun 2021 - 11:33
 
I have mixed feels about this. It is strange that CFHTT haven't said much about paracheer until now yet claim to be a huge supporter of it.

I know a few people do seem to use paracheer as a way to get to worlds - people I know personally that are level 4 at best but desperately want to go to worlds. However, Caroline has not been seen in allstar cheer for a few years now so for all we know paracheer might be the only way for her to compete.

I think Sportcheer England are doing the right thing to take a step back and see how we can evolve this division but it is a shame that they haven't made more progress in the year off
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86.169.52.234 | Tue 15th Jun 2021 - 19:06
 
I think Caroline was posting what someone else had written and added her two cents to it at the end.
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92.20.59.186 | Wed 16th Jun 2021 - 16:15
 
WOW, I think we must have an example of every single stigma that our Para Athletes face right here in this thread. What you are all missing is that it is far from an easy journey to Worlds, it is perhaps a different journey to yours. Not just for the Athletes with conditions but the athletes who make up the rest of the team. As someone who has completed a PCI Workshop I can tell you that there are some very different skills needed by both sets of athletes, the most basic being empathy which seems to have eluded some of the contributors to this post. All the higher level cheer skills in the world can't hide an ugly soul, just remember that while you are slinging shit at other people and trying to lessen the value of their achievements. What happened to building eachother up?!

And before anyone says it, no I am not and have never been a Para Cheer Athlete. I want everyone to have the opportunity to enjoy cheer.
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86.183.221.228 | Sun 27th Jun 2021 - 23:08
 
Just putting it out there, many many people have disabilities that you can’t see and they also don’t advertise- that’s a starter. Having a disability isn’t about being in a wheelchair and adaptive cheer isn’t just adapting for wheelchairs. It’s adapting for wheelchairs, energy, pain levels, flare ups, braces/prosthetics and stuff that aren’t allowed on a non disabled division, breaks, injury prevention, more stringent risk assessment.. there loads to it. I think it should’ve been developed at a grass roots level instead of just going to worlds- there’s been so much gossip from those teams. They did say there was complaints and safety problems but weirdly they put a new team which is bad. I don’t know what their plan is but it wasn’t nice to just post it on Facebook (I’m friends with a member of the team.. or ex team I guess
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51.198.18.101 | Sun 4th Jul 2021 - 09:44
 
Adaptive Abilities in theory is such an amazing division. However, in practice, all of the AA teams are filled with glory hunters who just want a Worlds ring, including the coaches. They aren’t passionate about working with those with disabilities or making adaptations, they aren’t there to support the disabled athletes, they’re there to win worlds and conveniently forget to add which division they are WORLD CHAMPIONS 💍 in when they put it in their Instagram bio.

The division (both cheer and dance) needs an overhaul and a check on the values of the people that are involved. As a non-disabled athlete or coach, I find it really hard to accept that someone can say they’re a world champion in Paracheer. You couldn’t do the same in the Paralympics.
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88.202.171.186 | Sun 4th Jul 2021 - 15:26
 
I agree that there are athletes that are in it for the wrong reason but I would argue that there are a lot that it’s the only option for them and also work with people with disabilities outside of cheer and it’s something they have a passion for. I know that people with disabilities and also a background of working with people with disabilities have left the team due to the ones who are there for the wrong reasons. These are also the people that don’t flash their worlds rings around or put ‘world champion’ on their social media bio. There are some good people involved, don’t paint them with the same negative opinion.
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51.198.18.101 | Sun 4th Jul 2021 - 15:55
 
Which is exactly why I said it needs an overhaul, so the people who use this division for it’s intended purpose can do this, without their experience being tainted. Increase the % of disabled athletes, use non-disabled athletes only in a way to be “adaptive”.

I understand why cheer needs non-disabled athletes to assist with stunting etc, but I really do feel dance could be made up 100% disabled athletes rather than it being a place for those who don’t make TE Hip Hop, for example, to go and tryout, be front centre and win worlds.
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46.68.8.81 | Sun 25th Jul 2021 - 13:04
 
As someone that was on one of the AA teams, I can assure you that every athlete there worked hard and didn’t look at it as an easy win, everyone pushed themselves and learned new skills and wanted to learn the adaptions of the sport, it’s just such a shame they’re not doing it how it was done previously
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86.186.97.215 | Tue 27th Jul 2021 - 00:21
 
Personal opinion as an outsider

- comments about whether people are disabled are not are dumb. Just because you can’t see things does absolutely not mean they aren’t there. Do you expect for disabled athletes to stick a note to their forehead saying “I have xyz” to appease all the people questioning their disabilities? That is so damaging so I hope people learn not to do that.
- should’ve been set up at ground routes but certain individuals just wanted to use it as a way to be in the limelight in the first place. Due to it not being ground routes comps don’t know how to mark routines etc as they’ve not got guidance.
- pretty sure athletes only got on because they demanded it, and disabled people did care about the safety in the team. I’ve not seen anyone say that before.

If paracheer had have been started at ground routes and not at worlds then there would be no problems with people and coaches wanting to be there for a quick win at worlds. Athletes would have to work on skills from the ground up and then when it went to worlds the team would have more disabled people.
It’s easy to see who set the whole thing up and that shows in all the way it worlds that it’s just been done to suite them- not for disabled people.
The reputation of that person is well known and its for a good reason.
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Personal opinion as an outsider

- comments about whether people are disabled are not are dumb. Just because you can’t see things does absolutely not mean they aren’t there. Do you expect for disabled athletes to stick a note to their forehead saying “I have xyz” to appease all the people questioning their disabilities? That is so damaging so I hope people learn not to do that.
- should’ve been set up at ground routes but certain individuals just wanted to use it as a way to be in the limelight in the first place. Due to it not being ground routes comps don’t know how to mark routines etc as they’ve not got guidance.
- pretty sure athletes only got on because they demanded it, and disabled people did care about the safety in the team. I’ve not seen anyone say that before.

If paracheer had have been started at ground routes and not at worlds then there would be no problems with people and coaches wanting to be there for a quick win at worlds. Athletes would have to work on skills from the ground up and then when it went to worlds the team would have more disabled people.
It’s easy to see who set the whole thing up and that shows in all the way it worlds that it’s just been done to suite them- not for disabled people.
The reputation of that person is well known and its for a good reason.
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